I didn't disagree with you when you said Netscape was picky and doesn't do what you tell it.. I completely agree!

All I am saying is that IE fixes bad code..... People will write code, it's broken and sloppy.. it works fine on IE.. It doesn't work on Netscape.. They go off ranting and raving.. I go and say "Dude, you forgot to close like 10 tags and you for got a TD tag in this table.. etc.." Their first instinct is to blame Netscape..

Now as far is Netscape being picky.. That is completely true... IE is just as picky, just not as bad.. Netscape is picky about things you use more often..

When it comes to frames.. I think Netscape's is about 10px off from IE's.. or so.. atleast when I use to write framed sites a lot..

One thing you are wrong about is that just because Netscape gets things wrong, doesn't mean IE isn't for lazy coders lol.. If you don't test your site in Netscape I bet you a billion dollars I could go in and find a [censored] load of errors and missing tags that you would never even know about if you only use IE.... not only will it break netscape but it will break just about any other browser also.. except IE of course..

Both IE and NS have their flaws (as far as layouts go, NS has a [censored] load of them.. everything has to be PERFECT and then it doesn't work in IE)...... but IE is still bad....... and NS6 is a [censored] load better than either of them IMO... (or it's getting there anyway)

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Start using the Mozilla nightly builds.. I use them.. They work great..

My MAIN problem with IE other than being a Microsoft product is that it only runs on friggen Windows (or a mac).... I can use Mozilla on ANY computer I want and it works just as good..... so fug IE.... I would rather die than use it... I'll use Opera or Mozilla any day over it.

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Netscape 6 sr3 is looking better (still hasn't got popup tool-tips) but I had to take it off my machine because it froze me up utterly and completely.

LOL Good on you Eileen.

Darren.
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One thing I have learned about writing HTML.. is that if you write it sooooooo specific like that.. the site probably ends up sucking anyway.. Don't you ever get sick of sites that line up 10 images perfectly to make a neat picture? uhh yeah like the first time you see it? and how about the little curves at the ends of tables? or pictures in frames? they serve no real purpose anyway other than they look cool, but it's not like it brings 100,000 visitors to your site every day..... most of the popular sites are pretty much written using tables (which work FINE in both IE and NS. Period) and very few GFX.. they load fast, look nice and clean, have more room for content, and work in any friggen browser..... When I stopped trying to put too much worthless effort in my sites and focus more on making them clean, easy to navigate and not browser specific.. is the day I stopped noticing all of the differences between how IE handles a tag and NS.. (ok well I still notice, but neither are broken, they just treat things different.. I think frames is one of the bigger problems in NS, and who cares? I hate them anyway)

No matter - WHAT - I have always managed to get sites looking right in both browsers.. it takes some tricks and what not, but you can do it..

And in the end? If my site works in Netscape (as in clean code, not layout wise) it works in just about any damn browser.. Netscape does not like to fix those damn broken table tags for ya like IE does...

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Haha. Well put. I guess we agree more than I thought.
But at the end of the day IE5 is a superior browser to Netscape's latest public release and if everyone used the superior browser (whatever that may be at any point in time) it would make our job much easier. And all I ask for is for the damn thing to properly display correct code.

Darren.
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I use the Mozilla nightly builds.. Not Netscapes version.... I think they are better...

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Skuze me while I barf...
(Chunder! Darren, care to join me?)

well I re-read what I said at first and it sounded like I was calling you a bad coder or something which I wasn't.. I just mean people in general.. I have friends who write (pretty crapy) web pages, and they always talk about how much Netscape sucks.... Not because they are sooooooooooo good at HTML that they notice Netscape's frame tag is off by 10px..... but because their code is so friggen broken that only IE will display it right..

Anyway.. I use NS almost 100% of the time.. I never visit sites that don't render right.. I think that any site that gets so picky about stuff like that.. I usually won't want to look at any way (like I said.. you run into these problems by trying to do cool tricks with HTM which end up being annoying anyway.....)

BTW: Have you tried the latest Mozilla yet? Maybe you should.. Just because it isn't out of beta yet doesn't mean it isn't good.. Plus it works in Linux, IE doesn't. =)

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

You just said Netscape PR3 is nice.... Mozilla IS Netscape PR3 did you not know that? You must be thinking of Mosaic.

The nightly builds for Mozilla work great... If you haven't used them since Milestone 4, then you are missing out, it's a lot more stable since then. and renders hella good.

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg