You should seriously consider changing those blank.gif's in threaded mode to about two or three spaces... Seriously man.. It makes pages with a LOT of replies load atleast two or three times faster........ I never had any problems with it on my old forum.. everything renders fine with spaces in all the browsers I tried......... Go to the PHP forum in threaded mode and look around for a while.. You will understand what I mean

There is probably hundreds of gifs being rendered on that page.. it's insane..

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

oh, btw.. it seems much worse in netscape than it does in IE..

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Cause Netscape sucks......

Only because IE is basically part of the damn gui in 98 if you have active desktop on.. it's always in memory so it loads right up.. And think of all of those cool undocumented functions it probably uses to help speed it up when netscape is stuck using microsofts purposly crapy functions lol...

I like the look and feel of netscape a lot better.. the bookmarks are better etc..

Plus since I use linux or FreeBSD about 60% of my time.. It's kinda hard to use IE.....

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Conspiracy theory eh?
Something like, if app = Netscape, begin random illegal operation procedure.

>> I like the look and feel of netscape a lot better.. the bookmarks are better etc..

Shame about what it does to good HTML code then. You can't blame MS for that!

Darren.
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Yes, very true... why couldn't the gif's be replaced with two or three non-breaking spaces?

Muhammad Chishti
Creative dIRECTOR
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Yeah.. Netscape has a problem some times, but the REAL problem is that IE -fixes- broken HTML!!!!!! Don't believe me? go make a table, leave out a few of the tags.. leave a few of the tags open etc.. IE will render it fine.. Netscape won't...... That is good in a way, but bad when you think of all the lazy, not so good HTML programmers there are on the web.. it just makes them worse cause they never learn to write good code =) If you test your code in netscape and it works.. you KNOW it has to be good =)

Most people that say Netscape doesn't render good code only say that because they don't write good code.... IE will render their bad code, but Netscape won't...

Now if you get really tricky with tables it can be frustrating that IE and Netscape both handle them different (that is very very annoying)

Also, it's a proven fact that Microsoft has undocumented functions and stuff inside of their foundation classes(?) or MCVC++....... They like to take advantage of them, but not let anybody else I guess......

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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg

Have to disagree with you there.
The real kick in the butt to what you're saying is that good code displays badly in Netscape and many people experience this. [sad]

Why is that when I tell my frameset to be so many pixels wide, it decides on a different, somewhat shorter, width. Same goes for the height.
Don't believe me? Go to Netscape's own pages, see how wide they've defined their own page, take a screenshot from their own browser and tell me if the dimensions are the same as what it was told to display as.
This was a real pain in the bum for me because I spent ages trying to work out why I put an image in a frame and it cuts the right hand end of the image off in Netscape but not in IE. Then I thought, well I know some of Netscape's pages use frames, I'll go over there and check out what they've done to deal with this. Well it doesn't work with their browser on their own site either. [img] /w3timages/icons/shocked.gif [/img] But using IE on the Netscape site and it fits perfectly. You think Netscape developers are just writing bad html code?

Then I set my textarea on w3t to 56 cols. How many characters wide can you type in with IE? 56. How many with Netscape? about 80. It pushes form boxes wide and causes horizontal scrolling on smaller screens. You have to make your boxes smaller than you want them just so Netscape users will see it properly. [img] /w3timages/icons/shocked.gif [/img]

Can I go on, how long have you got?

Sorry, don't buy the argument that IE is only for lazy code writers. IE overtook Netscape after version 3. Most people in "the biz" would agree with that. Netscape stuffs up good code, straight out of any web design/html book. And as you can probably tell, it makes it annoying to have to knock things about to suit an inferior browser that 25% still use. Even Eileen dislikes it.

Darren.
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...blows chunks, in fact!

>>Even Eileen dislikes it.

In fact, Eileen <font color=red>HATES</font color=red> it! I wish they'd kill it and put us all out of our misery. I was a Netscape junkie back in the old days - couldn't *wait* for each bug-riddled upgraded beta; haunted the newsgoups for the first whiff of a new one.
When Mosaic had had its day, it gave up gracefully and went away - it wasn't kept on life-support by a bunch of knee-jerk-anti-MS fanatics who couldn't make the next step forward because it was put out by the dreaded Microsoft and therefore just HAD to be evil...

And show me the pop-up tool-tip labels on today's relic of Netscape! That's really fine honoring of good html code?