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#218970 - 11/10/08 03:24 PM Your vote counts!
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Ok guys and gals. Our next version is slated to have User blogs. The version after that is slated for the UI overhaul where we'll redo the entire layout, skinning, adding updated Javascript libraries, etc. We'll stick with that if everyone wants to go that route, but here's the dilemma.

If we do blogs first and then the UI second, when we redo the UI we'll have to pretty much redo the blogs as well. Since the javascript, layout, etc. will all be changing.

If we were to do the UI first, then when we do the blogs we'll already have the new javascript libraries in place, the layout will be settled upon, etc. So, this would be the quickest overall method since there would be no backtracking.

But, the final decision will be yours. We've promised blogs for awhile now, so if you don't want to wait, then vote that way.

NOTE: Adding this on edit. If we do the UI first it will put off the blogs for awhile. The UI update will be a huge process. It might even be broken down into Control Panel first and front end second. So, if you're dying for blogs, take that into consideration.

NOTE #2: As of Nov, 23rd, blogs won, so this will be the route we'll go

Which comes first
Only one choice allowed (133 total votes)
Blogs First! - 67 (50%)
UI First! - 66 (50%)
Voting on this poll ends: 11/10/08 03:23 PM
Last edited by Rick; 11/24/08 02:41 PM.
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#218982 - 11/10/08 04:12 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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You know....

.... I bought a 3rd UBB license as it was said many tines that the blogs were coming shortly. I also bought an upgrade license for another copy as to have two UBB communities running blogs.

Looks like by the time the blogs come out I'm going to have to spend more money for upgrade licenses to get what I really wanted in the first place.

I understand your intent and need to upgrade the CP but hell man I'm loosing money here. Lets get out what you were saying your were coming out with.

#218983 - 11/10/08 04:24 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: JAISP]
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I totally understand. We've been promising just as long that we'd have a better UI and new/updated Javascript libraries. Either way, one of these things is going to have to wait.

I've always said that I'll listen to what you guys want, so the only real/fair way I can do this is to leave the decision up to you guys.

#218984 - 11/10/08 04:34 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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Does the UI update mean you will be moving away from table based layouts to a css based approach? Hope so.

#218987 - 11/10/08 05:23 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Flaming Carrot]
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I don't really understand what the purpose/desire is to having blogging capability in a forum software.

I'm sure there are valid reasons, I just can't seem to get my head around what they might be.


#218988 - 11/10/08 05:25 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Flaming Carrot]
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Been a threads user since the wwwthreads days. I would like to see the blogs first. As far as the layout is concerned, what kind of layout are we talking about? I still prefer the old layout of the 6.x series

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#218989 - 11/10/08 05:49 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Fishtails]
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The UI overhaul should end up with a flexible layout. Right now, you can fairly easily change the colors, but the overall layout still looks pretty much the same.

What we hope to achieve with the new UI would be a skinning mechanism where skins not only include colors and css settings but template changes as well. So, if you prefer the old 6.x look, it would be possible to create a skin with that look. It will also be possible to create PDA skins that people have been requesting as well.

As for the table-less question. That's what I'm hoping for, but at this point it's up in the air, there still may be some tables, but we definitely hope to cut down and control more with a CSS approach.

#218993 - 11/10/08 05:59 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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I should also note on this. With the UI update, we'll be totally overhauling the user profile as well. Once that is done adding blogs to that functionality will be fairly simple. So, blogs could be included in the actual release that contains the front end overhaul, or will come shortly thereafter, if we were to go with the UI update first.

#219001 - 11/10/08 06:43 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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I do not wish to complain but I would like to personally see some of the hacks that have been around for a long time through many different releases and updated for pretty much every release for a long period of time added into the released general product.

Example:

Multiple Identity Detection

Center Island Option (Left / Right / Center) This would be great for the who is online and other islands.

Ability to set how many users are shown on the Who's online box.

And many more.

The problem is that these type things are popular and every time you update your board then your without certain options that were hacked into the software you have to wait for the new release of the hack or hope that the old one will work in the new release and spend tons of time placing popular hacks into the program.

Most all of this is control panel related.

#219002 - 11/10/08 06:47 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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If a UI overhaul wins out, do you have an estimated time frame?

#219003 - 11/10/08 06:49 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: JAISP]
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Originally Posted by Thelockman
I do not wish to complain but I would like to personally see some of the hacks that have been around for a long time through many different releases and updated for pretty much every release for a long period of time added into the released general product.


I try and add a couple each version. We added a few last version, and we'll add a few more next version.

#219004 - 11/10/08 06:52 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Fishtails]
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Originally Posted by Fishtails
If a UI overhaul wins out, do you have an estimated time frame?


Haven't a clue at this point. It's a pretty big task. All new javascript libraries, scriptalicious or YUI (possibly YUI because I'm more familiar with it working on a few other things). So all the javascript related stuff will be redone, while adding new things, lightbox, WYSIWYG editor, etc.

Then there's the layout itself, moving towards more CSS control, coming up with the new skinning system, etc.

That's why we might brake it down into 2 chunks. Control Panel first, and then front end second.

Once we find out for sure which way we're going, then we'll get a better plan of attack.

#219006 - 11/10/08 07:08 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: JAISP]
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Originally Posted by Thelockman

Ability to set how many users are shown on the Who's online box.


This one is now in v7.4 under "portal settings"


#219007 - 11/10/08 07:16 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Rick]
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I vote for the new UI. As I said in a previous thread, any UI redesign should be named UBB.threads 8.0. Blogs can then be added in 8.1.

#219009 - 11/10/08 07:57 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Pink Jazz]
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I voted UI first, because of the simple fact I see no usage of blogging yet for our site.


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#219014 - 11/10/08 09:02 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Yarp™]
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I voted for UI as it would logical to do it right the first time, this way there will be less of a chance for bugs on the blogs

#219019 - 11/10/08 09:27 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: gliderdad]
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I voted for UI because I'm very skeptical about the need for blogs in UBB.

I feel if blogs are not going to give our users a compelling reason to use them over competing free blog platforms then there is no point in offering them.

They got to be at least as functional as Blogger and wordpress.com in terms of customization. We're not just talking about colors, layout, etc. Users demand the ability to add widgets to their blogs that use flash and JavaScript and unfortunately that could present a security headache for us admins. So I think there will also need to be some type of moderation or approval process so that our users could add their own js/flash widgets to the blog.

Lets start thinking about this problem and how it can be overcome. Otherwise, frankly, I don't feel its worth doing. Why would they use it? They'll just continue using Blogger, Wordpress, MySpace, and the hundreds of other free blogging platforms.

#219022 - 11/10/08 10:42 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Pink Jazz]
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Originally Posted by Pink Jazz
I vote for the new UI. As I said in a previous thread, any UI redesign should be named UBB.threads 8.0. Blogs can then be added in 8.1.
I agree completely, it'd be a major change in need of a major version update.

Oh and for note Riok, I still recommend scriptalicious over YUI; all yahoo would have to do is impliment api keys and we'd have a huge headache with forum admin's and non functioning forums until they went and signed up for a key lol...

I think IanSpence and SD concourr wink


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#219023 - 11/10/08 10:43 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Gizmo]
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Oh, and for note, I was the first vote for Blogs tongue... I figured, sure it may be more work, but it'd be in place to get started tongue


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#219026 - 11/10/08 11:03 PM Re: Your vote counts! [Re: Gizmo]
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Originally Posted by Gizmo

Oh and for note Riok, I still recommend scriptalicious over YUI; all yahoo would have to do is impliment api keys and we'd have a huge headache with forum admin's and non functioning forums until they went and signed up for a key lol...

I think IanSpence and SD concourr wink


If we were to use their CDN, which is an option, then I could see that being an issue. But, we'd be including the libraries with the software since they are released under a BSD license. So nobody's forum is just going to stop functioning.

In most cases it's going to be faster to reference their CDN for the framework, but we'll put in an option so it can either be grabbed from them or from the UBB install. So, even if you're using their CDN and they put in an extra hurdle to jump through, then it would just be a matter of switching to grabbing it locally.

Also, I've already done several projects with YUI and 0 with scriptalicious. So the learning curve has already been hurdled wink

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