1741 MF 8 Reales
Philip V
Mexico City Mint
In1741 there was one type of 8 Reales issued by the Mexico City Mint.
Thepractice at the mint was to identify the assayers by placing the senior assayer’sinitial above that of the junior assayer, using the initial of what we call“the first initial” in the United States of America. Manuel de Leon (1733-63)was the senior assayer and Francisco de la Pena y Flores (1733-54) was thejunior assayer. The initials weretherefore M vertically above F on the left hand side of the coin. Note that reference books vary as to whichside they designate as the obverse (front) and reverse (back). Of the 4 reference books cited below, onlyGilboy identifies the senior assayer as Manuel de Leon. The other 3 books identify him as Manuel dela Pena, with the same dates of service (1733-63). Since the first initial is used on the coin,this does not affect identification. Ihave not yet discovered why this variation exists.
Inreference books this coin is designated as Gilboy M-8-13, Elizondo #18,Olivia/Chaves Sanchez #602, Calbeto #752.
Mexico City 8 Reales from thebeginning of Milled coinage in 1732 through 1771 were 91.7% pure silver and hadan official average weight of 27.0674 grams.
Thisis a very nice looking coin which has toned to the extreme end of the colorspectrum (black).
Photography:
Thephysical appearance of a coin will differ depending on the type and intensityof the light under which we view the coin.I use a 100 watt incandescent light bulb at a distance of about 1 foot.
Sales Information
DOMESTIC SALES - FREE SHIPPING.
If you live in California, there is an 8% Sales Tax
Tracking Numbers: I will post a tracking numberafter I ship to you.
INTERNATIONAL SALES
If you are not in theUS,contact me first.
has a whole systemset up for the sale and protected international shipment of items. I willgenerally follow their rules, once I figure them out. They have a list of countries that are notcovered by their shipping policies, which I will follow. Additionally, there are other countries towhich I will not ship.
No sales to the following areas:
Africa, Asia-CHINA, India, the oldcommunist countries, plus some others. In South America, I will not sellto Chilebecause of a bad experience that cost me several hundred dollars.
Payment
As far as Ican tell, the only way for you to pay is through Paypal. If you want to buy and sell on , you haveto use ’s financial system, which is Paypal. I have been mainly a buyer, and sometimesseller on for 15 years. Buyers are no longer allowed to send personalchecks like they used to earlier.
Paypalprovides transaction security for the buyer (you) at no direct cost, andcharges the seller (me) 2.9% -3.9% of the total amount plus 30 cents to makesure that the funds paid by you are safely transferred to me.
Iwould appreciate your paying me in a timely fashion after the close of thesale.
Other Information
My shipment to you: The 8th largest city in the USA nolonger has a Post Office open after 5:00PM Monday through Friday. My mail routeis “in transition” so I no longer have any idea who is going to be deliveringmy mail, or at what time of day. I amnot going to leave a $50-$500 coin outside to be picked up by whomever. Given all of this, if you win and pay for acoin this morning, it probably won’t be put in the mail this afternoon.
Returns: If you do not feel that this coin is “rightfor you” after you have examined it, send it back to me (at your expense). Return it at your convenience, preferablywithin 14 days. The shipping to you is at my expense for domesticshipping.
Please readeverything I have stated to you about this coin, if I have made any specificcomments about it. If you have someconcern about the coin that I did not explain to you in this listing, send anemail to let me know what your concern is, if you want to. This is not some chunk of silverbullion. It is an old collector’s coin,and you and I both know, as coin collectors, that you really have to directlyexamine an old coin like this one to decide if you feel satisfied with what yougot. After you have looked at it, if youdecide that it is “not for you”, you don’t have to list a bunch of reasons whyyou have decided you do not want it.Just let me know that you will be sending it back so that I will know toexpect it. I have a lot of old 8 Reales.If for some reason we can’t get you tofeel satisfied with this coin, that doesn’t mean you won’t be happy with thenext one you win.
I want you to be satisfied with what you get.
I want to build a positive business relationship withyou, not just “get a sale”.
