This has been bugging me for a while, but I finally got around to checking it out.
On IE5 for the Mac, if you nest the UBB in a table -- for example we do so to put a menubar on the side -- the display gets 'funny'. For every post in the topic, the nested table gets a few extra spaces down. When you are looking at 20 responses, HALF the page is devoted to blank space and its a pain in the booty to scroll around. Most of us are use to simply hit End to page down to the last post (and this would be much easier if Todays Active Posts would point at the last post on the last page instead of the first post on the first page of the responses). Doing so means most of the time, its harder to scroll up that it would have been just to hit pag down a dozen times. Annoying.
My board has a few hacks to it, so I FINALLY got around to setting up a clean demo copy to test this out. Using my standard headers, it still did it...removed those to check out if I was just coding improper HTML and simply enter the header as: <pre><Table><TR><TD>SIDE BAR</TD><TD> </pre>
And the footer as:
<pre> </TD></TR></TABLE> </pre>
And it was STILL doing this.
Again, this was a clean copy with no hacks, so I know its not my setup. This had worked perfectly up until I believe 6.2 and then with the addition of the new templating system, things started going wanky. A few users complained, I checked it out with IE5 9/X and it did it on both.
I haven't been able to figure out what in the UBB code is causing this, but it had been working a while back...and now its not. Most of the time I see things like this its because the coder inverted the final TR / TDs in the table and the browser doesn't know what to do. Under Win IE, the coding standards are less strict and work around buggy HTML...the Mac versions don't.
Anyone know whats going on?
[This message was edited by Charles Capps on June 17, 2003 at 10:53 AM.]
If you are looking for build number, I'll have to dig that out when I get home tonight <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
I can reproduce this on Mac OS 9.2.2 with MSIE 5.1.5 (4719) and also on Mac OS X 10.1.5 with MSIE 5.2.1 (4717). Here's a screenshot from OS 9 of a topic at community.sonikmatter.com.
AFAIK this is still a Mac IE problem... it's just weird how it seems to be popping up on UBBs which have headers and footers. Though I don't think I've ever seen it on the UBBs I run, which both have headers and footers (NATN Talk). <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
At NATN, we have the table width coded at 800 pixels. At PlaneBusiness (the other board I run, which I can't link to 'cause it's behind a paid subscription log in system), we have a width of 95% and the pages are too deep like these others. The Logic forums and those linked to in the previous thread also have percentage widths. Coincidence?
This ONLY started happening after an upgrade to the UBB though. As I mentioned, it worked perfectly up until 6.2
I WOULD try something other than percentages but some of us have large screens and its rediculous to max a screen at a fixed width -- believe me, fo YEARS I had my site like that and I'm just now getting away from this as I realize what folks have been complaining about. I personally want as much information on a screen as possible.
If this is an IE bug, then I'll leave it at that. Most of the time the IE 'bugs' I find are that Mac IE requires a much more strict interpretation of the HTML than WinIE does. Its generally helpful because when designing my own sites, I can use MacIE and see whats going to be a mistake and fix it and then everything generally works for ALL browsers (or as well as they can be). The same can't be said for WinIE.
Again, this could very well be a legitimate IE bug that is causing this...I just didn't take that into account because of the timing of the wierdnesses (ie., no browser upgrade was done at the same time) and the general luck of the browser from before. To be honest, when looking I couldn't see any problems with the HTML either...it all looked as though it should validate.
Ooooooooooo, THAT problem. No cause or solution is known.
I was confused before, as I thought you were describing a similar bug that plagues my forum - check it out. Extra space inserted to the left. I've been unable to find a solution, but it's definately related to the CSS being used.
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Originally posted by Charles Capps: Extra space inserted to the left. I've been unable to find a solution, but it's definately related to the CSS being used.
Huh. That's really screwed up on OS 9 MSIE 5.1.5. Did you try the box model hack or a nested div?
-jlb (CSS hacks seem to be my game of late <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> )
Originally posted by clif: Most of the time the IE 'bugs' I find are that Mac IE requires a much more strict interpretation of the HTML than WinIE does. Its generally helpful because when designing my own sites, I can use MacIE and see whats going to be a mistake and fix it and then everything generally works for ALL browsers (or as well as they can be). The same can't be said for WinIE.
As a long-time Mac user, this has always confounded me! (Here's a thread where I was bashing my head against the CSS problems in Windows IE.) Why does Microsoft have such completely different interpretations in the same product on different platforms?? <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Sorry for the off-topic rant. <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I did do a rather extensive search in the microsoft.public.mac.explorer group and found nothing on this apparent bug. I'm not sure anyone has taken much notice... <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Apparently, the Mac programmers are housed with the same guys that do the XBox and Wince...err...WinCE and all those non-Windows folks. Most of their implementations are not code for code trades with the other departments...though the Office department generally gets looks at as the R&D for the Windows side. Untill a few revisions back, ALL the new features came out on the Mac first and then ported to Windows. With OfficeX, its starting to do the same once again (check out the charting features under Excel for a prime example of this).
Anywho, this wouldn't be SUCH a problem if things like Todays Active Topics and the other postings would actually use the anchors assigned to them so that it goes directly to the correct page AND the last posting when you click on it. I really don't want to be taken to the first of eight pages when I've been reading this thread for a week. I want to be taken to the latest ones for relevance.
If this were to happen, I wouldn't even notice the lots of empty space at the bottom, because I wouldn't have to go to the page, hit End and then scroll up a dozen pages when I'm on my iBook <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />