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A few Q's #172420
01/04/07 08:47 PM
01/04/07 08:47 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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First off hello name is Rob, Webmaster for DieselRam.com. Recently upgraded from the stone age from 3.0 to 7.0 . My q's are this . Does the control panel have a REINDEX for the forums?

Some members experiance a 404 FORBIDEN TO POST in some of the topics.

And since the change I have lost crucial links to older threads when I was using 3.0

Any help is appreciated If one so chooses to call me send me a PM. cool

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Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172426
01/04/07 09:23 PM
01/04/07 09:23 PM
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Wow, 3.0....that's back from like '99 or 2000 wink

No reindex in the control panel as it's something that is no longer needed.

404 sounds like it can't find the page, possibly a link to an old script. Can you get them to post the full url that they are being sent to when they get that error.

As for the missing links. Are those links that were made within posts or from somewhere else?

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172429
01/04/07 09:48 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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As far as the 404 it is not an old script as it is in the new forum . Such as a new topic was created the another member will try and reply and it gives them a 404 Forbiden.

The missing links,some threads older than DEC 22 we are not able to find. It as if none of the internal links are working.

Oh and 98 was when the site was created. So yes older than dirt.

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172430
01/04/07 09:50 PM
01/04/07 09:50 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Here are some examples.


new url prefix
http://www.dieselram.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

new search results url
http://www.dieselram.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=192221&page=1#Post192221

******************
old link url
http://dieselram.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=005371

was from here: http://www.dieselram.com/forum/ubbthread...=true#Post43419

*********************************************

test url did not return expected result. tried changing number, no dice.
http://www.dieselram.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=005371

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172432
01/04/07 09:58 PM
01/04/07 09:58 PM
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In the importer zip file there are a couple redirect scripts. If you take a look at those and edit them, following the comments, then you can place them in your old install. For example the ubb/ultimatebb.php link. There is a redirect script called ultimatebb.php that you'll need to upload and that will redirect people to the proper post.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172434
01/04/07 10:19 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Ok good . What about the 404 message?

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172436
01/04/07 10:25 PM
01/04/07 10:25 PM
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I'm not sure on the 404 yet. I have registered however on the site so if there is a specific one that's causing the problem then let me know and I'll see what I can find.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172438
01/04/07 10:29 PM
01/04/07 10:29 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Noramally in the 12 valve Drivetrain section . It only happens to certain people but not all.

I just recieved a PM as one person can not due to 404 in the 3rd Gen NON drivtrain.

Last edited by DieselRam.com; 01/04/07 10:32 PM.
Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172446
01/04/07 11:16 PM
01/04/07 11:16 PM
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Hi Rick

vonTrapp here

0) The new UBB kicks arse as far as the interface goes! We sure did go from a Model T to a new Cummins Turbo Diesel!

1) The 404 errors are a little confusing. What we are getting is a 404 not found and a "permission denied" error. There appears to be no pattern as to WHY this is happening. For example, I was (and still am) unable to modify my signature. This is doubly ironic since I have admin access on the site tongue

The following error is returned:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /forum/ubbthreads.php on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Apache/1.3.37 Server at www.dieselram.com Port 80


Other users are also getting the same error message, but this time it seems they are having trouble posting to certain forums.

2) Possibly related, and just FYI. Right after the upgrade, we had 6 new user groups created that I had never seen before. These are titled "OLD_FORUM_30", 35,45,11,12,48. I was about to delete them, but thought I'd mention them first. They appear to be garbage, although the moderators always seem to have appeared in the group.

3) You'll have to walk me through the zip file. Talk to me like I'm a kindergarten student! I know just enough about this forum to be dangerous laugh The redirect script really needs to be run.

4) Also, seeing as the URL prefix is different, would results from www search engines be all messed up too?

Thanks

VT


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Re: A few Q's [Re: vonTrapp] #172447
01/04/07 11:26 PM
01/04/07 11:26 PM
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I think the quickest way to get to the bottom of the permission denied 404 errors is if you can open a trouble ticket with ftp information as well as admin access to the site (preferably yours since you are getting the error when trying to update your signature). With that I should be able to do a bit of debugging to see exactly what's going on.

As for the zip file. Basically, the importer zip for classic had 2 files, ultimatebb.php and ultimatebb.cgi. If you open those up they are pretty heavily commented on what you need to change. THe ultimatebb.php script will go into the original ubb directory, and the ultimatebb.cgi script will go into your cgi directory that held the original classic scripts.

Once those are in place the search engines should redirect from the old links to the new ones as well.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172448
01/04/07 11:33 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Rick I can do this for you now ,add you as a Admin guy.

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172449
01/04/07 11:42 PM
01/04/07 11:42 PM
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The big thing will be trying to duplicate the permission denied error. I've been fiddling around a bit to see if I can duplicate it but no such luck, everything seems to be working fine. So, will probably need the login info for someone who is having the problem.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172451
01/04/07 11:43 PM
01/04/07 11:43 PM
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Rick

Rob and I just ran a little experiment. It seems the 404 errors are related to the IP address of the user. We switched user names and logged in...he had no problem updating my signature (he's in the US, I'm in Calgary). The first time that is...

On the second attempt, it started returning the Permission Denied report. Third attempt it worked. :pWe're messing with it as I type this.


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Re: A few Q's [Re: vonTrapp] #172452
01/04/07 11:48 PM
01/04/07 11:48 PM
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Rick...ummm, what is an installer zip? I did not do the site upgrade. Looking on the current server, I don't see any zip files (sorry, I told you I was a noob!)


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Re: A few Q's [Re: vonTrapp] #172453
01/04/07 11:51 PM
01/04/07 11:51 PM
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It's actually the importer zip file. In the members area here there is a zip file called classic_import.zip. This has the redirect files that I was talking about.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172454
01/04/07 11:52 PM
01/04/07 11:52 PM
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Hmm, that's is extremely odd about how it works for him and not for you. Do you have access to the webserver error logs? Curious if maybe there might be more information in there.

On another note. If you want to bump me to admin on your forums, display name of RickBaker, then I'll peek around at the various settings to make sure everything looks good.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172887
01/09/07 09:39 PM
01/09/07 09:39 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Wow I finally got back in.


My question to you is ,Was the 6.73 version ran first before the 7.0 version for our upgrade?

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172892
01/09/07 10:53 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Rick found out what the phrase is that gives you this 404 or atleast one anyway.

Go into the website and find a thread and type in "cat is pregnant".

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172894
01/09/07 11:16 PM
01/09/07 11:16 PM
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I believe so, I worked with Skip on the data that he transfered over and I believe he upgraded that portion prior to turning it over to me.

As for the 404. Ok, it definitely sounds like the mod_security issue. Although that is quite the odd phrase. How about just "pregnant", does that result in the same thing?

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172895
01/09/07 11:33 PM
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Ok, just tested it. It will actually error on "Cat is". "Cat" works fine, and "pregnant" works fine, but it doesn't like "Cat is". That's just crazy. I can't imagine the reason for having that phrase in mod_security

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172896
01/09/07 11:46 PM
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DieselRam.com  Offline OP
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Silly isn't it. I have a ticket in with them so we shall see.

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #172897
01/09/07 11:58 PM
01/09/07 11:58 PM
Gizmo  Online Tapedshut
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It's cat with a string, "cat" doesn't do anything, but "cat __" triggers... the linux cat command is used to view the contents of a file; i'm sure "tail __" will error as well.

bascially that rule is to thwart users exploiting insecure scripts to utilize system commands, they don't want them to cat /var/www/html/config.php (or something similar)...

As i said, it's a really anal module...


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172899
01/10/07 12:06 AM
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Yeah, "cat" anything will trigger it. Strange, they don't have a variety of other commands filtered that can do the exact same thing. more, less, head, print, etc. all work fine. Sounds like they were maybe just getting started setting it up, or something.

Re: A few Q's [Re: Rick] #172900
01/10/07 12:10 AM
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They have been around for a lttle while not sure how long. Hopefully they will get it corrected in the AM .

Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172901
01/10/07 12:39 AM
01/10/07 12:39 AM
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Dang... Giz beat me to it tongue Guess that's what I get for doing real work wink whistle

Re: A few Q's [Re: ntdoc] #172903
01/10/07 12:55 AM
01/10/07 12:55 AM
Gizmo  Online Tapedshut
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Originally Posted by Rick
Yeah, "cat" anything will trigger it. Strange, they don't have a variety of other commands filtered that can do the exact same thing. more, less, head, print, etc. all work fine. Sounds like they were maybe just getting started setting it up, or something.
They're likely using the builtin subset and haven't started tweaking; the default set of filters has a load of examples, I believe cat is one of them.

Originally Posted by ntdoc
Dang... Giz beat me to it tongue Guess that's what I get for doing real work wink whistle
as usual, i am, the man :nod: lol


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172907
01/10/07 01:25 AM
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Funny... even tho I can't type the word lynx_, I can type in cat is pregnant and even cat /var/www/ just fine...


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Re: A few Q's [Re: jgeoff] #172908
01/10/07 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jgeoff

Funny... even tho I can't type the word lynx_, I can type in cat is pregnant and even cat /var/www/ just fine...
That means that your host doesn't have those lines defined in their mod_security configuration wink...


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172910
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Really? wink

Do you know of a way I can check the settings via cPanel? I don't see such options. I guess I could ask them what "everyday words" I can't use! lol


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Re: A few Q's [Re: jgeoff] #172911
01/10/07 01:57 AM
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Most things in the configs are strings, it's nto formed to check for everyday words, some words just fit in the filtered strings.

And there is no way to see the config, they'd have to sen dyou the config file; which, for security, they're doubtful to do.

You could go and download the module and tear it apart though wink


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172915
01/10/07 03:37 AM
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SSH lets me run CAT and TOP etc... My new account seems to run on a fairly good box with low usage at the moment.

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Re: A few Q's [Re: ntdoc] #172918
01/10/07 06:26 AM
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Gizmo  Online Tapedshut
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Originally Posted by ntdoc
SSH lets me run CAT and TOP etc... My new account seems to run on a fairly good box with low usage at the moment.
That's SSH, we're talking about the apache Mod_Security module which doesn't allow some webpages to load (or forms to be submitted) if they contain some strings (such as CAT, TOP, SAR, etc)


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #172951
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Okay, but then curious how one would use a PUT statement to a page to run a CAT command?

I'm not a Webmaster and have not tried to hack a Linux box, so curious how that is an issue.

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Re: A few Q's [Re: ntdoc] #172987
01/10/07 06:34 PM
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'eh you type: "cat wash" and it puts it on the page, anytime something is entered with the string it errors.

If you think to some phpbb issues in the past you can see why this is used, they allowed users to indicate commands which would relay the output to the browser, so you could index.php?style=cat%20/etc/shadowed and it'd display the contents of the file you're looking for... pretty dirty.


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #173006
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Doh! so simple I couldn't see the forest due to all the trees.

Thanks

Re: A few Q's [Re: ntdoc] #173043
01/11/07 12:57 AM
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Gizmo  Online Tapedshut
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lol np wink


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #174091
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Rehashing this 404 Forbidden garbage.

Must be computor illiterate but where do I install this?


.htaccess file under your forums folder (create .htaccess if there isn't
one),

SecFilterEngine Off
SecFilterScanPOST Off

Re: A few Q's [Re: DieselRam.com] #174100
01/17/07 08:44 PM
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Gizmo  Online Tapedshut
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Generally your .htaccess file would be in your web root (the bottom most directory which can be accessed from the web).

Files that start with a . are marked as "hidden" so you'll need to make sure that you have an FTP client that is capable of listing "hidden files".

Generally most hosts include a basic .htaccess file, if one is not presant, just save your input to a file (any name will do) and upload it to your webspace, and rename it to .htaccess.

The reason I say to rename the file on the server is because Windows does not like files that start with a .

Also, use of .htaccess files only work for Apache webservers.


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Re: A few Q's [Re: Gizmo] #174107
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Your host has to also enable .htaccess files for your site from my understanding of it (most seem to allow it).

Re: A few Q's [Re: ntdoc] #174108
01/17/07 08:55 PM
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Likely the permissions for .htaccess will be "basic", I'm not sure if you'd be able to disable these elements in this mode... But theres only one way to find out lol..


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