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So far so good for me as far as links not an issue. Won't know about resource issues till maybe tomorrow as site is slow right now.

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where are you guys seeing those graphs in webmaster tools?

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Originally Posted by Ian
where are you guys seeing those graphs in webmaster tools?


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Thanks - will take a look.

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Looks like mine has tailed right off after installing 7.x.

Of course the redirect script does not work for my site (as previously mentioned) so that doesn't help (just get taken to the forums home page) - it looks like google is searching the old forums.

This is not good news - it is bad enough everyone who does click on existing links just goes to my home page - making all those links worthless frown

Maybe the sitemap will help - but as it was not required in Novmeber, I can't see why it should be required now.

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As seen in previous post/graph, mine droped off dramatically also as soon as I installed 7.0 (in early January). I am wondering if the problem isn't the use use the re-direct in the index? With my old Threads 6.5 the main index page was the portal page of my site, with all of the links necessary to crawl the site. I notice that this site does not seem to have a redirect, but rather a "real" index page that in turns provides a real link to the forums/portal page. I think as a test, I might try eliminating the index re-direct script and just put a page similar to the index page here and see if that helps the Google crawl rate. Seems to be much better on this site. Thoughts?

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Ian, what product did you come from? Theres an issue with *most* hosts i've worked on and the cgi importer for classic; basically apache sends the redirect message already so trying to send a new one nerfs the redirector...

But i think you came form threads so that shoudln't be a problem there.


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Ian, is your old threads board still up? I'd like to take a look if possible to see what's going on with the redirects. Mind you, google should still begin crawling the new site as long as they can get to it.

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Originally Posted by Rick
Mind you, google should still begin crawling the new site as long as they can get to it.
agreed,it's odd that he's had such a decrease without much coming back...


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Originally Posted by Rick
Ian, is your old threads board still up? I'd like to take a look if possible to see what's going on with the redirects. Mind you, google should still begin crawling the new site as long as they can get to it.

Rick - To restate my previous question: Is it possible that the re-direct script for the index file is messing up Google? It seems you don't have a re-director here and your site seems to be getting crawled by Google just fine. If you go back and look at my graphs, you will notice a sharp drop off on the day I installed Threads 7 (and the redirector). I'm thinking I should just have a normal index page like you have here?

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We do have the redirector in place for our old threads board so I don't think that would be it. Since google has pretty much stopped indexing, you might try it and see if it makes a difference. If google can find it, it definitely should start indexing it again.

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I still have the showflat and showthreaded and postlist re-directs, its the index redirect that I'm suspecting.

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This is interesting (sort of). LAst night I finally deleted ever file on my old Threads install and teh old database, but only left the redirect scripts. Tonight, when I look at the Google crawls graph, it looks like a slight up-tic. Could be coincidence. Tonight I replaced the re-director index file with a "normal" index similar to the one used on this site so it will be interesting to see what google does in the coming days. Here is tonights graph. If youcompare to the previos graph you can see slight improvement:
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Honestly, give it a month to see if it's really anything other than a conicidence; but i've been running the redirectors since i first moved over, so it could account for our continuous traffic


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Originally Posted by Rick
Ian, is your old threads board still up? I'd like to take a look if possible to see what's going on with the redirects. Mind you, google should still begin crawling the new site as long as they can get to it.


Yes still up.....

Feel free to have a look.

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Originally Posted by Ian
I think he means, do you still have your old forum install up, i doubt he cares about your 7.x install wink


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yes - at that address tongue Still runs - can log in vis the CP etc....

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Well http://www.fansfocus.com/forums/ forwards me to your .T7 install; what's the url to your .T6.5 install?


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do you read posts tongue

http://www.fansocus.com/forum

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However of course the root will divert.

http://www.fansfocus.com/forum/admin/login.php - goes to the CP for example.

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Why should I read posts when it's more fun for you to post links wink


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you are only building up your post count tongue

I am still trailing Nav though....

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Off to check to see if google has done anything....

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Google does nothing, but make your life hell wink


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used to work fine until 7.x though tongue

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just checked - no pickup - hopefully it will resume soon...

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Ian, it seems that your redirects are working ok, or at least some of them. For example I found a couple in google such as this one, that redirects properly:

http://www.fansfocus.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1055830/

You can google for: site:www.fansfocus.com +showflat.php

Then click on any of the showflat links that come up and they appear to be redirecting properly, takes me to the new showflat screen.

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Ian, and using this google search:

site:www.fansfocus.com +ubbthreads.php

I see it has a couple thousand over your topics indexed from threads 7, and it's definitely indexing now as the top one if you view the "Cached page" it shows that it indexed it on the 30th of January. It might be a bit before it reindexes the site however.

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Oh okay - thanks.

Certainly the directories were not forwarding - must admit didn't try too many individual posts - as I was more concerned with the directories / categories as people have these as links.

http://www.fansfocus.com/forum/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/sacfc_football for example, just redirects to the index page frown


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Yeah, category and forum links seem to take you back to the index page for me too...


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Unforuntately, we never did get that part of the mapping done on either classic or threads. The main one that was concentrated on during the initial creation was just getting all of the topics to redirect properly.

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A complete re-index takes a while, for the ammount of threads he has, you'd be looking at a year or so...


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Originally Posted by Rick
Unforuntately, we never did get that part of the mapping done on either classic or threads. The main one that was concentrated on during the initial creation was just getting all of the topics to redirect properly.
no biggie, think about it, the redirectors are for search engines, and their last crawl before your migration has all the data it will ever have for your forum...

So why does it need to crawl forums, it has your posts, and thats all that really matters... a cat/forum redirector would simply forward to a new location, which would be crawled the second that google (or any other SE) sees your new forum index (as they're the first links it sees at the new location)


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It is not search engines - rather the many sites that have links....

I have always tried to get people to use my short cuts

http://nonleague.com/hornchurch - but some will always just take the full URL.

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Originally Posted by Rick
Ian, and using this google search:

site:www.fansfocus.com +ubbthreads.php

I see it has a couple thousand over your topics indexed from threads 7, and it's definitely indexing now as the top one if you view the "Cached page" it shows that it indexed it on the 30th of January. It might be a bit before it reindexes the site however.
Rick when I do that same search with my site I get exactly 6 results and none of them are threads! HELP!!!! (You've got a PM)

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I get 2,190 results - just copy/paste that entire line into the Google search bar, and you should get this...


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jgeoff, theres an error in your logic, and that is that fansfocus is Ian's site and not basil's wink


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