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#188140 06/22/2007 11:43 AM
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Hi,

We could do with a PDA template/stylesheet.

Despite having a 5" PDA/phone screen, I cannot easily see or even attempt to use any threads site. It is really a non-starter frown

Sadly other forum software seems much easier to read.

The standard fonts are far too large.

We are cutting off a proportion of clients who may like to browse and use the site, whilst out and about.

With mobile internet being advertised heavily in the UK, the number of users wanting this can only dramatically increase.

I am sure a similar situation will occur elsewhere in places such as America and Australia.


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I have a verizon XV6700 smartphone running windows mobile that I used to surf theads sites. Its' not the best thing for mobile surfing but it does work.


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if we throw 4 or 5 < div id="xxx" > for the main areas, then a pda.css isn't out of the realm of possibility. that wouldn't affect the Cpanel CSS Styler at all, so the css geeks could do most of the heavy lifting in the Extra Properties area.

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Originally Posted by Sirdude
if we throw 4 or 5 < div id="xxx" > for the main areas, then a pda.css isn't out of the realm of possibility. that wouldn't affect the Cpanel CSS Styler at all, so the css geeks could do most of the heavy lifting in the Extra Properties area.

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That's not entirely true. We're limited by the fact that most of the layout is table based.

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but still within the realm of possibility, which i was alluding to.

using container divs with percentages and other methods for the child selectors could overcome a lot of that.

They could then be styled appropriately with no effect on the regular styles/themes. Even display:none'd / revealed on focus/hover, whatever. But it takes me back to what i've been suggesting. namely just add some divs, which have 0 impact on the core product at all, but enable css geeks to have at it in the Extra css world.

showflat and postlist are primary candidates there. cfrm, header, footer, sidebars also. that's a big swath and at least closer to the ever elusive 'pda.css'




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I share your concerns and support work in this area wink


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to further elaborate (and i can provide a proof of concept, if need be)

look @ postlist.tpl

we have 'width="xx%"' all over the place. well that is right next to a '< td class="yyyy" width="xx"' .

no reason why the css couldn't style the width on it's own and not have a width=xxx at all in the tpl.

caveat: when i say 'no reason', i'm really wrong there. i can see a concern you might have if a user (non css techie) goes in and totally destroys the widths. at least with .tpl's, the user has to be a wee bit more familiar with what they are doing.

if that class was also in a div, the css could then go further to re-style the css 'block', beholden to the client's browser / style choice.

with all that said, i full well appreciate your concerns of all the table, tr, td stuff throughout the code base and the pains in moving closer to more separation between content/style. it's not a small chore to do a COMPLETE job, while it's probably easy to do a 'first cut experiment'.

stats:

for .phps,

Search complete, found 'width=' 618 time(s). (126 file(s)).

for .tpls,

Search complete, found 'width=' 309 time(s). (54 file(s))

with the text editor being the big offender.

and there are other structural things too. height, colspacing, bla bla are all around too.

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Originally Posted by Mark S
I share your concerns and support work in this area wink

Well I can appreciate that you young kids with all your electronic toys want this, but I don't even own a PDA so not an issue for me. whistle

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and tbh, the PDA isn't where i'm driving at either. it's just that moving toward content/style separation would be a long run benefit (imo)

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For a while I was supporting an "avantgo" type display of my forums using the ubbnews addon at UBBDev (this was for classic) which worked quite well on my site; haven't gotten to updating something for threads though...


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wow, now that's something i haven't heard in awhile. i remember when i first got familiar with avantgo.

at the time, i thought it was great!

don't know anything about it now, though frown

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I may work on something after I have some green to buy a cheap 802.11b router (I have an 802.11G however I have it locked so tight it could make diamonds; and don't feel that I should have to degrade securty for my DS/PDA :x)


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11b probably about $10 these days if you can find one. Take look around in your neighbors trash - hehe

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Originally Posted by ntdoc
11b probably about $10 these days if you can find one. Take look around in your neighbors trash - hehe
I found a load of books doing that in the industrial area when i was younger, evidently salvation army has no need for tech books as they where inserted into the trash bin...

I put an ad on Craigslist, but never got responses; and the guys on ebay charge what would cost me the same as an 802.11g lol


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I might have one if I haven't thrown it out by now, but it would cost more to ship it then it's worth.

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suuuure wink


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hrm. we need to start a giz/pda/router fund.. i'll chip in $10 (paypal) ...

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lol... I have a PDA, so just the router wink... I have a dell Axim x5 I believe (don't use it much, due to anal router settings) lol


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Nope no 11b got a 54g wireless sitting around, everything else is in use. The 54g is there as a backup as the Linksys junk does have a habit of dying when you least expect it.

Wish Cisco would put some of the engineering of the Cisco brand into Linksys now that they own them, but that hasn't happened yet.

Just switched over an IP subnet from 248 to 240 on the fly and hundreds of systems barely knew it changed. Try something like that on Linksys with just a couple computers and everyone and every things goes stupid for a long time.

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Well, a G would work too, B and G are compatable, would have to just run it at wep vs wpa; but first thing's first, find something that works :x...



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I've always got spare routers LOL Probably got 4 or 5 spare here at the moment LOL

If we ever come, I will bring one wink

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psh, :hypnotizes ian: "mail me all of your spares, you will do as i command, bring me a sandwitch" :x


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