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Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? #197239 09/14/2007 4:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Guys (& Gals), I am getting an increasing number of people saying that my site - http://www.fansfocus.com - is very slow. Originally it seemed to be related to Norton's - but now people who do not use Norton's are being affected. I do however have an issue on my desktop (laptop is fine), whereby the left portal column stays fully expanded for several seconds, before reducing to the correct size. But I do not get this on my laptop. Both using FF on the same connection. Other users are just reporting a white screen waiting ages for anything including the top banner to load. Some have said that the problem only started a couple of days ago - others have said it has been slow for a while. Nothing has changed on the server, nor with the software - nothing has been touched for a while. The load seems fine on the server, and am not getting any other issues reported. I am at a loss, and am losing traffic fast

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197240 09/14/2007 5:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,143 David Dreezer Pooh-Bah
David Dreezer Pooh-Bah Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,143	No, YOUR site is not slow, but you have something being served by footballwebpages.co.uk that's painfully slow and because of it any code on the page after that takes time to fully load. Surely that has a lot of div and table element closures, hence making your site look misshapen until it finally all gets loaded. Take out or somehow reduce the footballwebpages content and then ask your users to look again. This thread for sale. Click here!

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? David Dreezer #197241 09/14/2007 5:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Thanks David. Which particular page are you looking at? I do pull in data from that site - but not on any of the forum pages AFAIK. They are separate pages. Or have I done something that I have forgotten LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197242 09/14/2007 5:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Hmm... okay - you mean the index page. I will edit that for the time being - I wonder if that is where people are stopping - assumed they were having issues on the forum pages - will need to check.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197243 09/14/2007 5:19 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	okay - I have removed all the tables on the index page for now - will see how it goes for folks. Thanks.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197244 09/14/2007 5:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA SD Former Developer
SD Former Developer Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA	i found that when i moved a site (which you didn't do, of course) that there were a lot of broken images (forum images) for cfrm. it's easy with FF and Web developer addon to 'view broken images' to see if there might be some..

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? SD #197245 09/14/2007 5:31 PM
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SD Former Developer Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA	https://www.paypal.com/en_GB/i/scr/pixel.gif <-- shows up as broken on your site

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? SD #197246 09/14/2007 5:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA SD Former Developer
SD Former Developer Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA	also, there's something strange with your google syndication stuff. can't tell if that's broken image or what, because it's garbled in the broken image report

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? SD #197247 09/14/2007 5:39 PM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Originally Posted by Sirdude https://www.paypal.com/en_GB/i/scr/pixel.gif <-- shows up as broken on your site Thanks corrected. replaced with my own blank pixel

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you?

SD #197248 09/14/2007 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirdude

also, there's something strange with your google syndication stuff. can't tell if that's broken image or what, because it's garbled in the broken image report

Left hand google ads are:-

Code

$time = time();

/* BODY HERE */
$body = <<<EOF

<center>
<a href="http://travis.bosscasinos.com/re.asp?name=POK&camp=REF121658_0&go=http://www.snapshotpoker.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fansfocus.com/images/banner2.gif" alt="Snapshot Poker" border="0"></a>
<br /> <br />

<script type="text/javascript"><!--
google_ad_client = "pub-4711273843698100";
google_ad_width = 150;
google_ad_height = 600;
google_ad_format = "120x600_as";
google_ad_type = "text";
google_ad_channel = "7536651497";
google_color_border = "f9f9f9";
google_color_bg = "F9F9F9";
google_color_link = "135060";
google_color_text = "333333";
google_color_url = "135060";
//--></script>
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script>

<br /> <br />

<a href="http://travis.bosscasinos.com/re.asp?name=POK&camp=REF121658_0&go=http://www.snapshotpoker.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fansfocus.com/images/banner3.gif" alt="Snapshot Poker" border="0"></a>


</center>

EOF;

Which all looks fine AFAIK.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197249 09/14/2007 5:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	BTW - I still see the left margin stay wide for a long time - here it stays wider for a second or less (and not as wide for that matter - mine is as wide as the page). I must have missed something on the page causing this - but scanning the code is not showing up anything obvious.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197250 09/14/2007 5:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,143 David Dreezer Pooh-Bah
David Dreezer Pooh-Bah Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,143	The behaviour i was seeing on the index page is corrected now. Your site loads quickly for me now. Even drilling down through the forums I see no slowness. This thread for sale. Click here!

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197251 09/14/2007 5:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Must be my menu system As this is pivotal to the whole site, I can't really disable it at the moment. Deep joy LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? David Dreezer #197252 09/14/2007 6:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Originally Posted by David Dreezer The behaviour i was seeing on the index page is corrected now. Your site loads quickly for me now. Even drilling down through the forums I see no slowness. Thanks David - will see how it goes. As it has only recently started happening - I am guessing that the third party site is having some issues with serving the data, as those tables have been there for a good year or so.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197259 09/14/2007 6:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Of course it doesn't help when one gets issues reported as... Quote All pages although it is now just showing the green loading bar at the bottom before turning the page What I mean is its stuck on the page and just showing the green bar thing at the bottom (even on messages) Sorry, not very good at explaining computer stuff. Cheers and Quote Internet Explorer 6 is the browser (I presume thats what you mean) When you press enter the screem immediately turns over but goes white and says along the bottom waiting for http fans focus etc. After about 30 secs you then get the fans focus banner across the top but still a white screen and then the page appears. I think asking them for a screen grab is out of the question LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197265 09/14/2007 6:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 196 I Ian Spence enthusiast
Ian Spence enthusiast I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 196	I use http://www.websiteoptimization.com whenever I have a problem with a slow loading site, and it pointed a ton of things out You have 56 unique images on the index page, and you load images/scripts/iframes from a total of 8 foreign domains The uncompressed html of your index page, not including the pages you include via iframe is over half a megabyte. That's just the html. My firefox almost crashed just trying to copy that from view source.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian Spence #197286 09/14/2007 8:09 PM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Thanks - will take a look - I have temporarily removed some of the ads, but the bulk of that html is in the menu - which will only grow, not reduce But it is compressed on the screen. This is due to the number of sub-menus etc. The number of images can't really be reduced any further.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197288 09/14/2007 8:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,299 Likes: 116 Portland, OR; USA Gizmo
Gizmo Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,299 Likes: 116 Portland, OR; USA	CSS Menu's > JavaScript Menu's I am a Web Development Contractor, I do not work for UBBCentral. I have provided free User to User Support since the beginning of these support forums. Do you need Forum Install or Upgrade Services? Forums: A Gardeners Forum, Scouters World UBB.threads: UBBWiki, UBB Styles, UBB.Sitemaps Longtime Supporter & Resident Post-A-Holic VNC Web Services: Code Modifications, Upgrades, Styling, Coding Services, Disaster Recovery, and more!

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Gizmo #197291 09/14/2007 8:21 PM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	find me something decent then, that will work the same way as my current menu - I need to have over a 1,000 links within it. It just isn't possible I did search and could not find anything decent, reliable and that wasn't written 10 years ago LOL The current menu will stay open/closed at whatever the user wishes via a cookie - so the menu is always the same whenever they visit. The menu has to cater for all sections of the site.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197293 09/14/2007 8:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,299 Likes: 116 Portland, OR; USA Gizmo
Gizmo Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,299 Likes: 116 Portland, OR; USA	google "css menu", i'm sure you'll find several hundred things... and none will be 10 years old, as the type of menu's i'm referancing have only been mainstream for the last several years... I am a Web Development Contractor, I do not work for UBBCentral. I have provided free User to User Support since the beginning of these support forums. Do you need Forum Install or Upgrade Services? Forums: A Gardeners Forum, Scouters World UBB.threads: UBBWiki, UBB Styles, UBB.Sitemaps Longtime Supporter & Resident Post-A-Holic VNC Web Services: Code Modifications, Upgrades, Styling, Coding Services, Disaster Recovery, and more!

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Gizmo #197298 09/14/2007 8:29 PM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	okay - maybe not 10 years - but still quite old - I tend to avoid anything older than 2 years LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Gizmo #197304 09/14/2007 8:36 PM
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SD Former Developer Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA	holy crap.. 1000 menu items ?? dude, css won't do any better for you than js. you need to rethink it. regardless of what you use, you are still sending 1000 menu items worth of data on each page imprint. whether they show up as hidden divs or not and they get show/hidden with clicks.. they still impact you the same, because the browser got it, but didn't render the display:none stuff. you need to think about a more parcelled approach where you possibly send the level 1 menu items first. then with a click, you ajax the level 2 items for the level 1 item clicked. etc etc. if it's already slow with x number of menu items, it's gonna be a lot slower as you add more to it. i'd look into parcellin it up...

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? SD #197305 09/14/2007 8:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	If I could I would My skill level is just not there LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197314 09/14/2007 9:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,057 Liverpool : England : UK Mark S
Mark S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,057 Liverpool : England : UK	I think i had something similar a couple of years ago with DHTML menus. Even at 10 drop links it went sllllooooowww. Maxed with 5 and everything corrected its self and speeded up. Can you not just make a single table full of all these 1,000 links on its own dedicated page? Or throw them in a db ?? And then link to the 1,000 link page as "links"? Simple sometimes is your friend BOOM !! Version v7.6.1.1 People who inspire me Isaac ME Gizmo

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Mark S #197329 09/15/2007 7:05 AM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	To be honest at the moment, I can't see an easier way to do this - layout is not my strong point LOL It wouldn't be too bad if I could have some code which said.. if menu option is open include this bit of code (sub-navigation items) if menu selection is closed do not include this extra code So in affect all that remains on the page initially is half a dozen links. I am not really sure if this is do-able.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197337 09/15/2007 7:50 AM
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Yarp Veteran Y Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,358 Utrecht, NL	Originally Posted by Ian I am not really sure if this is do-able. What would be doable I think is with ajax. As soon as a new branch is opened, the stuff would be loaded through ajax. Lucky thing for you, I don't know anything more about this then what I just typed

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Yarp #197339 09/15/2007 8:19 AM
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Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	Originally Posted by blaaskaak Originally Posted by Ian I am not really sure if this is do-able. What would be doable I think is with ajax. As soon as a new branch is opened, the stuff would be loaded through ajax. Lucky thing for you, I don't know anything more about this then what I just typed Well that is no good

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197347 09/15/2007 10:32 AM
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SD Former Developer Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,940 Likes: 1 SoCal, USA	hehe, mr Yarp made a funny Ian, start learning some programming. Here is a start It's combo bombo problem solve + programming.. call me when you're done

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? SD #197348 09/15/2007 11:03 AM
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Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197356 09/15/2007 1:12 PM
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Yarp Veteran Y Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,358 Utrecht, NL	It can be done simpler, but then clicking an unopened item would cause a page-refresh. A database field could remember what submenu would be opened for that user, or a cookie.

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Yarp #197361 09/15/2007 1:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK I Ian Carpal Tunnel
Ian Carpal Tunnel I Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,837 Essex, UK	don't worry - I have removed the menu - I will do something else. Mind you the way I am feeling right now - I will probably scrap the site - getting too old for all this hassle from users LOL

Re: Can someone have a look at my site - is it slow for you? Ian #197443 09/15/2007 7:47 PM
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Gizmo Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,299 Likes: 116 Portland, OR; USA	lol, a more BOFH attitude will put them in their place I am a Web Development Contractor, I do not work for UBBCentral. I have provided free User to User Support since the beginning of these support forums. Do you need Forum Install or Upgrade Services? Forums: A Gardeners Forum, Scouters World UBB.threads: UBBWiki, UBB Styles, UBB.Sitemaps Longtime Supporter & Resident Post-A-Holic VNC Web Services: Code Modifications, Upgrades, Styling, Coding Services, Disaster Recovery, and more!

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