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Originally Posted by jgeoff


It was, and some additions broke it again. That's something on the todo list before final release.


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Most of these I've posted about, such as form not having a method and, missing alt tags...

Also, <b> is being phaised out in favour of <strong>

The & comment there is actually the hardcoded & in the purchase link to the left and isn't actually threads fault (that was fixed like 7.2)


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Why is <b> being phased out in favour of <strong>???

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Well I don't find any authoritative reference that it is.
I do find a LOT of dispute about it's usage, as shown here (which is only one example - searching the Web you'll find many more)

<b> vs. <strong> - <i> vs. <em>

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Ask the W3C, they're in charge of what's valid xhtml or not, not me wink


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I don't know if it is or is not. If you have a specific citation where it is with a link that would be great Giz as I didn't find one myself.


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Well, they have differant uses, so not so much phaised out vs is it being used properly...

<b> and <i> simply mean "make this visually bold" (which IMO should be done in CSS); whereas <strong> and <em> mean "emphesise this text" thus making it "important" and shows them as such for SE's and browsers.


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Would that depend on what your doctype is? If we're still supporting xhtml 1.0 transitional then <b> and <i> are fully compliant smile


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Originally Posted by AllenAyres
Would that depend on what your doctype is? If we're still supporting xhtml 1.0 transitional then <b> and <i> are fully compliant smile

Well from what I can tell it's still just debate between Web designers. I do not find on W3C (yet any ways) where it says or even implies that it is or will be deprecated.

So far I only find people claiming what is better and why they think so.
If anyone has a link to an authoritative site it would be appreciated if you could post that link here.


I find from this link that neither <b> or <i> appear to be Deprecated.
15 Alignment, font styles, and horizontal rules

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Rendering of font style elements depends on the user agent. The following is an informative description only.

TT: Renders as teletype or monospaced text.
I: Renders as italic text style.
B: Renders as bold text style.
BIG: Renders text in a "large" font.
SMALL: Renders text in a "small" font.
STRIKE and S: Deprecated. Render strike-through style text.
U: Deprecated. Renders underlined text.

The following sentence shows several types of text:

<P><b>bold</b>,
<i>italic</i>, <b><i>bold italic</i></b>, <tt>teletype text</tt>, and
<big>big</big> and <small>small</small> text.

This list here from W3Schools also does not show either as deprecated

HTML 4.01 / XHTML 1.0 Reference


List from W3C also does not show either as deprecated
Index of Elements

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Still doesn't change the fact that SE's see them as you emphesising important areas within your document (<strong><em>) versus visual markup for users (<b> and <i>, which IMHO should be done via CSS)...


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The argument, as I understand it, is that <i> and <b> are visual descriptors only, but theoretically for text-to-speech it should be <em> and <strong> so the software can actually emphasis the audio more strongly. (Visual web browsers just change <em> and <strong> to <i> and <b> by default). It is, however, unclear if any T2S software actually utilizes those tags yet.

As for <big> and <small> I always considered them absolutely ridiculous. wink


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From what I take it, SE's award more points/targets on a page for emphesized text (<em>, <strong> <h1-9>, etc).

Since we use CSS here in the product, instead of <b> and <i> we should be setting these via CSS as we can change them globally based on what we wanted (as one could just update one instance of say "bold" or "italicize" and add colours)

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Just looked at Active Topics.

It is currently a very wide page, that you have to scroll from left to right to see.

Several possible problems, but it seems to be that a long url is not wrapping at all. Or some long code in one of the posts displayed is not wrapping.

Can't wait for the 7.3 final code!

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Q: How many of have 7.3B4 installed on your live site? I like it and am very tempted to take it live this weekend. It certainly looks stable enough. Recommendations?

I suppose I should also ask if there will be a 7.3B5 (and if yes, when) and if there is an anticipated time for the release of 7.3 (i.e., early March, late March, April, May, etc.). It does not make much sense for me to put 7.3B4 on this weekend if something new is coming in the next week or two.

Waiting, not so patiently, for 7.3!

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There will definitely be a beta5. Quite a few bugs fixed already since b4 was put out and still more to track down. No definite release date on beta 5, but we're trying to get as many bugs caught and fixed before that comes out, so after beta 5 we can release the final version.

My guess would be late March, early April for the final. Hopefully the March part wink

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Rick,

Thanks for the quick response.

If I use an April 15th date for the 7.3 Final then probably March 15th (maybe earlier) is a good guess for 7.3B5. That's only 2 weeks tomorrow. I know the upgrade to 7.3B4 would only take an hour or so but I'm not sure I want to chance anything if I need to do it again in a few weeks. I've never had a problem upgrading before, so if someone here suggests that it is stable enough I might consider it.

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Jake, I'm still using 7.1 and everything's running perfectly. I am anxiously waiting for 7.3, but after all this time since 7.1 I'm being patient. (I didn't go for 7.2 because I didn't keep track of all my hacks and customizations, and I don't know how to use Beyond Compare, so the thought of upgrading put me off lol laugh ) But I want 7.3 cool


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I think Rick should target 7.3 final at April 8th... Yeh, my birthday wink lol...


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Make it my birthday just for giggles. smile

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Is it possible to make the forum UTF-8 encoded (web and DB ) ?
So that I can test if it is compatible with non-Latin characters.


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Getting the DB UTF-8 encoded I think is something on the wishlist, but it involves a lot of work.


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You can set it to UTF-8 in the language settings (odd place for it; figured it'd be a dropdown somewhere)


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Would seem to need to be a setting under general display or primary, since it's so central to the display. Everytime I update ubbdev I break it for the international users. crazy


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Yep ricks working on B5 smile


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I'll probably release beta5 within the next day or two to the private beta group, and then upgrade here and make sure there are no issues with the upgrade and that nothing is missed, then release it to the members area next week.

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Nice, I may try it on my personal site then, most of the bugs seem squished.


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Beta 5 is here - test away......

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Is there a specific concise list of BUGS to test/re-test for B5 to ensure they were really corrected?

Way too many posts to go back and look at them all.

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You mean the "Rick List" wink


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Originally Posted by Mark S
You mean the "Rick List" wink

Yep, pretty much that's what I mean.

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My live sites are updated too. This is some nice stuff that Rick and Ian and Sirdude coded.

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Looking at the bug reports forum, it looks like there aren't too many bugs reported for 7.3b5 so far. However, once 7.3b5 goes into public beta, then the bugs can be tracked down more easily.

One bug that went unnoticed from 7.3b4 is that the search page still shows "Maximum date range is 4". This has already been posted at the bug reports forum:
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/u..._Search_Page_Maximum_dat.html#Post208596

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'eh if the beta is priate then most bug reports won't be generally reported here; we've got our own private forums for that wink


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