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direct image upload #259357
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biggest complaint I get is what a pain it is to post images.

when can we expect a file manager/image uploader that allows people to upload and post their images directly to the topic?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259362
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So, your users don't like that they can now drag and drop into the upload manager's popup? Or that it provides a preview of the file being attached?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259364
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am I missing out on something?

how do enable the attachment manager for all forums/posts?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259365
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ok, I didn't realize gallery options were global now.
I figured out how to get the file manager up, and upload photos..

but how does it get from the file manager to the post?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259366
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All files just display in an attachments area on the post they're attached to.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259367
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I see that I can click on the image and drag to the post window, and I get the direct URL to it, but no automatic tagging.
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/tmp/2286.jpg

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259368
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ooohh., why didn't that show up in my preview?

I get it now


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which universe would you chose?

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ok, I understand it now.

would still be nice if there was an easy way to get them in the post directly.

yes, I can copy it and add the image tags, but a lot of my users are slow and spoiled by FB.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259372
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step backwards...

instead of showing up as images, it shows up as the file name on my forum

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259378
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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?

I choose Stargate Universe; ancient discovery ships on a quest to discover the big bang...

Are you sure you updated all of your /templates/default files?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Gizmo] #259380
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?

I choose Stargate Universe; ancient discovery ships on a quest to discover the big bang...

Are you sure you updated all of your /templates/default files?


check and double check

is there something I have to enable somewhere?

I've checked settings for the forum. made sure number of attachments and attachment size there,
checked usergroup (admin in this case) and made sure those were all allowed and had proper quantities/file size limits


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And...
I can't copy the link it creates and add IMG tags, it 404s ?


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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
And...
I can't copy the link it creates and add IMG tags, it 404s ?


nevermind, figured out that part.


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so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259396
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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary

Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group

Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

If the image is larger than this number, it will just be shown as a file attachment without a thumbnail, and without a gallery view. Just as an attachment.

So if you want all attached images to display inlined in the gallery view, use the same MB here, that you used in your "Max size for attached files" field for that forum/group.

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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?


ot -
i have no clue what the one on the left is.
the one on the right is the unasked-for cgi version that they've replaced all the cut-scenes with on TOS.

hint: if you rotate this attached image 180d, it looks like he is running in Australia.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259398
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Testing the drag feature sorry if i'm in the wrong topic if so just delete.
On my forrum I set rules that only upgraded premeium members can upload attachments so I guess this works the same.
need to check that.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259399
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Originally Posted by id242
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so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary

Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group

Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

If the image is larger than this number, it will just be shown as a file attachment without a thumbnail, and without a gallery view. Just as an attachment.

So if you want all attached images to display inlined in the gallery view, use the same MB here, that you used in your "Max size for attached files" field for that forum/group.



I've made sure all those fields are set to 1mb. Still only displays the file name, not as an image


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259401
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I've uploaded all the templates again, I've made sure all attachments and gallery settings are set to 1mb in both the forum permissions and the user permissions and I rebuilt the posts.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259408
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this is not a gallery setting. its an attached file setting.

if you set. the max inline image display setting to 1MB but allow 2MB attached files, then ever attached image over 1MB will not be shown.

you want them show, correct?


so then set the max inline image size to the same (or higher) than the max attachment file size setting

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set it to "99" to have all attached images always display smile

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I set everything to the same value


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here's a screenshot

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1) Go to Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary
2) Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group
3) Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

From that field's description:
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If an image is attached to the post, and if it is smaller than the specified size, it will be displayed in the post. Do not use commas. You may use decimal places, such as 0.5, to specify half of a MegaByte.



Attached image is what your previous setting was 0.

I just updated that number to 1. Which is 1 MegaByte.

Attached images now work fine

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Screenshot after entering "1" in that field

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I though lt 1048576 = 1mb from the way it's worded?


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The field is asking for "MB" -- thats what the "MB" next to the field means.

The "You may use decimal places, such as 0.5, to specify half of a MegaByte" part means that you can use 0.5 to specify a half of a MB in that field.

"1 MB = 1,048,576 Bytes" means that we are using a 1024 base to determine what a byte is. Currently in the "tech vs math" world, there is a "back and forth" over what "Kilo" actually means. Some are saying that its based on multiples of "1,000" and others are saying its based on multiples of "1,024." This all depends on measurements and storage capacities. You can google these discussions. My intent of showing that "1 MB = 1,048,576 Bytes" in the example, was to so what base the software was using. That base is used all over the UBBT software, well before I ever touched it. (ot: much much prior to that, I came from kermit & z-modem transfer protocols in telegard & wwiv with a 1200baud modem.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte

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ok, i had (obviously) completely missed that setting,
I was just going by the permissions tab, and that's where it got confusing.

• You may use shorthand byte values: K (Kilo), M (Mega).
1K = 1,024 Bytes
1M = 1,048,576 Bytes
• You may use decimal places such as 0.5M, to specify half of a MegaByte.
• Do not use commas.

so I need to enter 1M there, not 1048675 ?


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"You may use shorthand byte values"

That single word means that you MAY use either.

If you want to use full bytes, you can. if you want to use shorthand, you can do that also.

The entry pages are different. Completely different sections. Completely different pages. Completely different URLs.

Read the descriptions for the field you are entering data into. laugh

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ok, now that that's all sorted out, (thank you!)

I still think there should be an easier way to go from file manager to inline/in post photos with IMG tag directly, without having to copy and paste links


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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
ok, now that that's all sorted out, (thank you!)

I still think there should be an easier way to go from file manager to inline/in post photos with IMG tag directly, without having to copy and paste links


A drag-drop, full WYSIWYG text editor is something that I started working on a few months ago smile
It still has a few major bugs in how it treats HTML/BBCode, but it is in the works.

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A drag-drop, full WYSIWYG text editor is something that I started working on a few months ago smile
It still has a few major bugs in how it treats HTML/BBCode, but it is in the works.


awesome!

will this be an update for 7.6.x? or part of a whole new build/release?


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I dont have an answer for that question at this time. just know that its being worked on laugh

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Originally Posted by id242
I dont have an answer for that question at this time. just know that its being worked on laugh


knowing that is encouraging


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I think the Attachment Manager may end up being confusing to the end user. Most people want to upload a photo and they are looking for a button to do it. If you upload a photo that is too large with the Attachment Manager, the pop-up window gives you the option to return to the previous page (many users do not even understand the file size of their photos and doubly so with mobile devices). When you return, it is still trying to upload the photo.

If a user uploads a photo and ends up with something like ... 19572702800_b27b91bb9d_o (1).jpg (2 downloads) ... they will think there is a problem with our software.

I think most people would like to upload an image and see it dropped right in to the post. We have a good image uploader on our 7.5.8 forums (added by SD). The only problem is that it does not offer the option to rotate the image.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled you guys are updating UBB.

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The one feature I liked about SD's mod is it will segregate uploads in different folders.
I think it was by user.
So you don't run the issue of over ten thousand files in one folder when you run a ftp backup.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: JPG] #259558
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Originally Posted by JPG
I think the Attachment Manager may end up being confusing to the end user. Most people want to upload a photo and they are looking for a button to do it. If you upload a photo that is too large with the Attachment Manager, the pop-up window gives you the option to return to the previous page (many users do not even understand the file size of their photos and doubly so with mobile devices). When you return, it is still trying to upload the photo.

If a user uploads a photo and ends up with something like ... 19572702800_b27b91bb9d_o (1).jpg (2 downloads) ... they will think there is a problem with our software.

I think most people would like to upload an image and see it dropped right in to the post. We have a good image uploader on our 7.5.8 forums (added by SD). The only problem is that it does not offer the option to rotate the image.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled you guys are updating UBB.


If a user cannot understand clicking the "Select File To Attach" button, or drag-and-dropping it within the window for attaching files, then what makes you sure they can understand how what "upload" even means?

If a user uploads a photo and they dont understand that the preview of the image they just uploaded, right next to the file name of of that image, is the file they just sent, then they probably also dont understand basic internet skills.

If after a file is attached to a post and it is not displaying a thumbnail in the "Attached Files" group under their post, then you probably have your forum configured to not show images larger than XX in size, or not display thumbnails at all. This is a forum setting, not a user setting. If you intend for the image thumbnail to be displayed, and it is not, you have your forum misconfigured.
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/259408/re-direct-image-upload#Post259408

Be warned about SD's attached-files hack ("picupload") -
1) it doesnt natively handle files that are not images.
2) it disables the built-in file attachment settings. so basically, it doesnt respect the site settings for attachments.
You can only upload files with .jpg or .png extensions (not including ".jpeg"), "Even though 'ATTACHMENT_TYPES' => '.gif,.jpg,.jpeg,.png,.css,.txt,.pdf,.gz,.rar,.tar,.tgz,.zip',"
3) the interface buttons are too tiny to tap on for mobile
4) if you click on (or tap, on mobile) outside of the window, you've lost everything you uploaded, EXCEPT, it still sits on the forum's servers. (or these files may just sit in a temp directory until XX criteria is met.)
5) there is no count to show how many things you've attached once you leave the window.
6) its another database table. one where the files and date dont get pruned when you delete posts or topics with attachments.
7) no official upgrade path from version to version of UBB.threads
8) if the file names have spaces, they are stored on the server also with those spaces.
9) upload a file on a linux server that begins with a dot, and the file will be hidden.
10) if I upload a file, then preview it in my post and find out that I no longer want it, I cannot go back and delete it from the server. I can remove it from showing in my post, but it will still stay on the server, IIRC.
11) to expand on #10, if I submit the post. then read it and want to make changes with EDITPOST, I have no access to that file. its still on the server somewhere. I can remove the url link from my post content, but this does not control the actual file, and I cannot remove the old one. so, if I have topic where I constantly update the post to have attachments of a new version of my screenshot/document/software file, I cannot remove the old version screenshots/versions form the server. but can upload additional screenshots/versions.

Attached image is a simulation of what SD's attached-files hack ("picupload") looks like on the iPhone (320x480) with a viewport of 1:1. Its not at all mobile-friendly. It requires a lot of scrolling around and is very easy to click outside of the box, and then the user needs to start all over again.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259559
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I've been running UBB for about 17 years on multiple forums. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback based on my experience with our users. I never said a user could not figure out what "select file" or "drag and drop" means. The Attachment Manager is quirky when you try to upload an image that is too large. Like I said in the last post, the average user does not always understand the file size of their photos.

As for SD's image uploader, we've been using it for a few years and it's offered our members a nice solution to uploading images directly without having to use a third party host. Also, as I stated, we are using the image uploader on our forums that have not been upgraded to 7.6.

Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259560
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I understood all that as well as before.

What I liked was that uploads were segregated in multiple folders.
Instead of one huge folder with a mishmash of anything.
So don't think I am a 100% advocate of the mod ,just that some features we never had before that were beneficial were a welcome item to the standard upload manager at the time.

Last edited by Ruben; 02/27/17 04:51 PM.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: JPG] #259561
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Originally Posted by JPG
I've been running UBB for about 17 years on multiple forums. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback based on my experience with our users. I never said a user could not figure out what "select file" or "drag and drop" means. The Attachment Manager is quirky when you try to upload an image that is too large. Like I said in the last post, the average user does not always understand the file size of their photos.

As for SD's image uploader, we've been using it for a few years and it's offered our members a nice solution to uploading images directly without having to use a third party host. Also, as I stated, we are using the image uploader on our forums that have not been upgraded to 7.6.


Since you mentioned that you have not upgraded from 7.5, the Attachment manager has been completely updated for UBB.threads 7.6

UBB.threads 7.6 Attachment Manager
There is a progress indicator for upload.
There is feedback if the file type is too big or if its the wrong type.
Its fully drang-and-drop friendly.
you are given a preview of the image you've attached.
you can easily remove attached files.
its mobile friendly (works on Android, iOS, Windows).
attachments are sorted in order of upload.
If a user types a description per each file, that description is displayed under the filename and thumbnail.
and more!

See attached file, for what happens when you attempt to upload a file which is too big.

edit: these are the changelog posts regarding the attachment manager in 7.6. you can skim through them and read the progress from 7.5 to what they are now, in 7.6
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258788
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258789
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258844
There are a few more listed on those pages. In addition, there are a few items which were added beyond that changelog.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: JPG] #259562
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Originally Posted by JPG
I've been running UBB for about 17 years on multiple forums. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback based on my experience with our users. I never said a user could not figure out what "select file" or "drag and drop" means. The Attachment Manager is quirky when you try to upload an image that is too large. Like I said in the last post, the average user does not always understand the file size of their photos.


And this is why I have suggested several times that the ability to have the software RESIZE the image to fit with in the scope set by the site admin be done during uploading the image onto the server. We have been doing it for YEARS in the gallery forums for the thumbnails and all sorts. It had been said that it would add more things to the Control Panel cluttering it up and making it more difficult to operate the software err something of that nature.

Making it easier for the "end user", and I determine the end user the people coming into the forum software as USERS in the website NOT the site owner as it had been referred to me as the SITE OWNER as the end user......, will in turn create more active users in that web community. We are battling social media everyday for users and social communities like ours are loosing for the simple fact it is much easier to use their software than ours as the end USER or community user per say.

Re: direct image upload [Re: JAISP] #259563
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Originally Posted by JAISP
this is why I have suggested several times that the ability to have the software RESIZE the image to fit with in the scope set by the site admin be done during uploading the image onto the server. We have been doing it for YEARS in the gallery forums for the thumbnails and all sorts. It had been said that it would add more things to the Control Panel cluttering it up and making it more difficult to operate the software err something of that nature


JAISP, if you want a Gallery Forum, create a Gallery Forum. UBB.threads can do that smile

There is a different between
A) Message Forum are for Attached Files (not just images)
B) Gallery Forum are for Attached Images (only images)

They both do slightly different things.

What you are asking for, is exactly what "B" already does.

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A) File attachments are never modified from what the uploader had uploaded.
Files attachments are attached files that are attached to a post and are meant for sharing. They can give a preview of what they are, if they are an image. And I supose you could also insert file_id.dis (or, lol, a CORE.txt) in to a zip/rar/tar archive also, if you hacked it to do that. But as an person who uploaded the file, I wouldnt appreciate that much. Its no longer the file I uploaded. Its the file which the website thinks it should become.

B) Gallery attachments are modified to fit within the gallery.
Gallery attachments are meant to do exactly the job you are asking. It takes the file and converts it in to a web-friendly format which you declare within your forum's Control Panel > Gallery settings pages. It also resolves the problem Ruben's FTP software creates (his FTP software limits how many files can be displayed at once). The Gallery stores images based on Forum ID and within their own directories, SMALL, MED, ORIGINAL.

Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259564
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I truly understand all of that and many forum owners do as well. However, the general public with their smart phones taking 12 mega pixel images do not and they get frustrated and go elsewhere very quickly. I personally have added free web online links to my full editor posting and new threads pages as so they can resize them on their smart phones and upload to a post not a gallery section. This only adds a link where they can resize their image.

Have you ever sat and explained to a 62 year old woman the difference and why they can't just upload off of her smart phone? LOL, try it sometime and let me know how it goes and if she come back. I'm sure she will tell you she can do it on Facebook really quick. Yes I know from experience and this has happened to me 6 times in less than a year. I have not seen them since.

Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259565
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Originally Posted by id242
Originally Posted by JPG
I've been running UBB for about 17 years on multiple forums. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback based on my experience with our users. I never said a user could not figure out what "select file" or "drag and drop" means. The Attachment Manager is quirky when you try to upload an image that is too large. Like I said in the last post, the average user does not always understand the file size of their photos.

As for SD's image uploader, we've been using it for a few years and it's offered our members a nice solution to uploading images directly without having to use a third party host. Also, as I stated, we are using the image uploader on our forums that have not been upgraded to 7.6.


Since you mentioned that you have not upgraded from 7.5, the Attachment manager has been completely updated for UBB.threads 7.6

UBB.threads 7.6 Attachment Manager
There is a progress indicator for upload.
There is feedback if the file type is too big or if its the wrong type.
Its fully drang-and-drop friendly.
you are given a preview of the image you've attached.
you can easily remove attached files.
its mobile friendly (works on Android, iOS, Windows).
attachments are sorted in order of upload.
If a user types a description per each file, that description is displayed under the filename and thumbnail.
and more!

See attached file, for what happens when you attempt to upload a file which is too big.

edit: these are the changelog posts regarding the attachment manager in 7.6. you can skim through them and read the progress from 7.5 to what they are now, in 7.6
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258788
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258789
https://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ub...-0-changelog-not-yet-released#Post258844
There are a few more listed on those pages. In addition, there are a few items which were added beyond that changelog.


Maybe I wasn't clear. One of our forums has been upgraded to 7.6. The rest are still running the last release. My observations are based on the forum currently running 7.6 and on my use of this forum.

Re: direct image upload [Re: JAISP] #259566
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Originally Posted by JAISP
I truly understand all of that and many forum owners do as well. However, the general public with their smart phones taking 12 mega pixel images do not and they get frustrated and go elsewhere very quickly. I personally have added free web online links to my full editor posting and new threads pages as so they can resize them on their smart phones and upload to a post not a gallery section. This only adds a link where they can resize their image.

Have you ever sat and explained to a 62 year old woman the difference and why they can't just upload off of her smart phone? LOL, try it sometime and let me know how it goes and if she come back. I'm sure she will tell you she can do it on Facebook really quick. Yes I know from experience and this has happened to me 6 times in less than a year. I have not seen them since.


Yes. I work with a 75 year old woman who can upload to a correctly set up forum. But gender and age both have nothing to do with this conversation.

You even participated in that thread where we discussed this:
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/galleries/258291

UBB.threads 7.5 did not document any of the settings very well at all.

Control Panel » Gallery Settings

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259567
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A post that draws people in is well edited like a good blog. You should be able to easily insert photos and videos in to the post where they need to appear. If you are writing a paragraph on a red sign, you might want to post a photo of a red sign below the paragraph. If your next paragraph is about a blue sign, you might want a photo of a blue sign below that paragraph. It would be nice to do this without having to go back and edit the post.

Maybe I am missing something. Is there an easier way to do this? In order to display the image in a post where I want it, I have to load an image with the Attachment Manager, then after it loads, click on Attachment Manager, get the image URL, then click the Insert Image button (or just add IMG tags) and paste the image URL. Like this...

[Linked Image]

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259568
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Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259569
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Originally Posted by id242
JPG, I guess you possibly missed my post earlier in this thread -
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/259432/re-direct-image-upload#Post259432


I don't think we need a web editor. I think we need a simple image uploader that does what it needs to do for the user. I know you have worked hard on this and have reason to get a little defensive. Keep in mind, I'm just offering my opinion ... and it's that the Attachment Manager doesn't seem to be the best solution for uploading images. The few people I have asked to demo the upgrade have complained about the same thing.

Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259570
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The screenshots I linked you to include an image uploader, that puts the image exactly where you drop it.

WYSIWYG.

Are you now asking for something that does not allow drag-and-drop uploading directly in to the post?

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JPG, you have PM smile

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We're having communication problems.

Re: direct image upload [Re: JAISP] #259621
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Originally Posted by JAISP
We are battling social media everyday for users and social communities like ours are loosing for the simple fact it is much easier to use their software than ours as the end USER or community user per say.
Good point... more functionality in that direction would be most welcome.

Bill

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Im just going to leave my little rant right here.

PSA: There is no support on Facebook, Twitter or any similar social media website.

While Facebook is a nice medium to share information, it is utterly unsuitable for any form of serious support.

With message forums, all topics have their own discussion threads on your message forum .com, which can be referenced and shared in most social networking websites.

If your users need assistance, want to start a new discussion, look up group answers, file a bug report, or discuss anything related to a release, they can do so, by simply going to a relevant discussion category on your message forum.

HOW THE PLATFORMS DIFFER:
Facebook/Twitter = Comments on individual topics. Opinions.
UBB.threads/Discussion Forums = Discussions leading to answers. Solutions.

If Reddit can do it, why is your forum unable to do it?
The truth is, there are still many successful forums out there. And there are dead ones, where the forum owners complain about Facebook/Twitter. Either their [dying/now dead] forum wasnt a strong forum to begin with, or their clientele really just wanted to share opinions, or their topics were great last decade, but times have changed in this decade. If Reddit can be made successful by doing exactly what your forum software does, why is your own forum unable to do it?

in 2000-2008, there were a number of people who visited websites daily. now in 2009-2017, that number has mostly doubled! meaning that the pool for "eyes" has doubled. if your forum cannot capture XX number of eyes for your main topics, plus the new YY number of eyes, that is not a problem of Facebook. That is a problem of changing times and your ability to adapt to the changed times.

Slapping on 80% more ads to your website and complaining that you're not making 80% more income than you did last decade, is being blind. Your ads today are not only competing the doubled amount of ads all over the rest of the internet, but you are also annoying your visitors 80% more than you did last decade!

Times change. Either adapt to these changes, or keep doing the same thing you've been doing for the past decades and continue to see people leave. The upset argument about "Facebook killed my website" is not time well spent. Figure out what your customers TODAY want, and then give that to them.

Also keep in mind, that while you are still very excited about the topic of your forum, the general population may have moved on. Your niche website could have been a fad at one time. That era has come to pass. Be thankful you were part of leading it.

Facebook/Twitter = Comments on individual topics. Opinions.
UBB.threads/Discussion Forums = Discussions leading to answers. Solutions.

Its why companies which care about providing technical support for their products, primarily use discussion forums. Not Facebook or Twitter.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259625
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My last words on the subject then I'm totally finished other than it isn't working type post.

Now for you young guys whom weren't born yet.

When Windows 3.1 came out the manual was a few inches thick, people actually read things and wanted to learn.

When Windows 95 came out the manual was less than an inch thick because people were less interested in learning.

When Windows 98 came out the manual was 3/8" thick because people just couldn't bring it to them selves to read anything. This was the last time a manual was written for the most popular operating system in the world.

Yes id242 I see where you're going with your rant but you young guys need to learn that if you can't make things easier to use in this day and age it doesn't matter how good you are or how good your community was. You will loose users day after day because the end user doesn't want complicated things. They won't read or want to learn. If they can't do it without asking or reading how they won't bother. Your drag and drop image attachment is the best achievement this product has ever had and thank you for incorporating it into UBB.threads it does make a difference.

It's a point and click instant gratification society. Until you learn this and how to compete with it you will continue to loose customers and followers. I'm done. I will just post if it doesn't work, what would I know ayy? When I was growing up I listened and took into consideration what my elders thought me and told me. I made informed decisions upon their experiences. I learned and became better. That is also so,etching lost with the younger generation.

Rant over. Lips sealed. Now I will sit back and just watch and tell if it is broken.

Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259627
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Originally Posted by id242
Times change. Either adapt to these changes, or keep doing the same thing you've been doing for the past decades and continue to see people leave. The upset argument about "Facebook killed my website" is not time well spent. Figure out what your customers TODAY want, and then give that to them.
Exactly

Please don't take my comments as a criticism. You've done some great work here. I thought this suggestion would make things better.

In my forum a big part of discussion has always been ... look at this... (uploaded photo,,, ) what do you think?...

Back in the day I had to worry about dial up connections and monitor size, etc... I'd say... send us the photo and we'll resize and post it for you.. More recently, it's upload the photo here.. (to Gallery or other photo upload site and include the photo your post using [img / img] tags)

With the convenience that sites like Facebook provide nowadays to upload photos I think it would be a great thing to make it equally as easy to include a photo in any post.

Bill

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LOL, I started by writing software for dial up BBS's back in the 80's

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Originally Posted by JAISP
My last words on the subject then I'm totally finished other than it isn't working type post.

Now for you young guys whom weren't born yet.

When Windows 3.1 came out the manual was a few inches thick, people actually read things and wanted to learn.

When Windows 95 came out the manual was less than an inch thick because people were less interested in learning.

When Windows 98 came out the manual was 3/8" thick because people just couldn't bring it to them selves to read anything. This was the last time a manual was written for the most popular operating system in the world.

Yes id242 I see where you're going with your rant but you young guys need to learn that if you can't make things easier to use in this day and age it doesn't matter how good you are or how good your community was. You will loose users day after day because the end user doesn't want complicated things. They won't read or want to learn. If they can't do it without asking or reading how they won't bother. Your drag and drop image attachment is the best achievement this product has ever had and thank you for incorporating it into UBB.threads it does make a difference.

It's a point and click instant gratification society. Until you learn this and how to compete with it you will continue to loose customers and followers. I'm done. I will just post if it doesn't work, what would I know ayy? When I was growing up I listened and took into consideration what my elders thought me and told me. I made informed decisions upon their experiences. I learned and became better. That is also so,etching lost with the younger generation.

Rant over. Lips sealed. Now I will sit back and just watch and tell if it is broken.


JAISP. Try it yourself: Press F1.
Its the reason why software manuals are no longer being printed.

Originally Posted by JAISP
LOL, I started by writing software for dial up BBS's back in the 80's


Cool. A fellow BBSer. I wrote BBS software and some BBS doors.

AT M0

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Originally Posted by JAISP
LOL, I started by writing software for dial up BBS's back in the 80's


I'm not talking about that far back, smile

Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259634
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Originally Posted by id242
Cool. A fellow BBSer. I wrote BBS software and some BBS doors.

I make with the typey typey...


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Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259651
03/01/17 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by id242
Figure out what your customers TODAY want, and then give that to them.



my customers today want easier image uploading.

that is the number one complaint I receive.

while the file manager makes it a bit easier, it's still not perfect. even with that, and my posts on how to use it, I had someone complaining to me that of all the forums he uses, mine was the only one he couldn't upload to pics to.(he has since been educated on that point)

the system works, but it's not "stupid" enough for the average internet user.

Originally Posted by id242
AT M0


I still remember my first 300 baud modem, that's not something I ever want to go back to.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259653
03/01/17 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
Originally Posted by id242
Figure out what your customers TODAY want, and then give that to them.


my customers today want easier image uploading.

that is the number one complaint I receive.

while the file manager makes it a bit easier, it's still not perfect. even with that, and my posts on how to use it, I had someone complaining to me that of all the forums he uses, mine was the only one he couldn't upload to pics to.(he has since been educated on that point)

the system works, but it's not "stupid" enough for the average internet user.

Originally Posted by id242
AT M0


I still remember my first 300 baud modem, that's not something I ever want to go back to.


hehe "300 baud: You can read the text it as it prints." That, and those internal modem cards were so much fun. COMs and IRQs!

Moving forward to today, I am so incredibly happy that the general public never has/had to deal with that. They have a whole new set of issues to work with now. Browser Quirks, Launcher Widgets, and Bandwidth Throttling :/

As such, James and I have been working to make things easier. One of those ways is by bringing the Attachment manager at least a bit closer to the expectations of today's users. The 76x Attachment Manager is a great improvement from what everyone had to deal with for the 75x series. Its not impossible to understand, but its becoming easier as it gets worked on. Prior to James and I, no one had touched it in nearly a decade.

It will keep improving as more work gets put in to it. Just as modems are no longer things that most people need to "program" today.

Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259656
03/02/17 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
my customers today want easier image uploading.

that is the number one complaint I receive.

while the file manager makes it a bit easier, it's still not perfect. even with that, and my posts on how to use it, I had someone complaining to me that of all the forums he uses, mine was the only one he couldn't upload to pics to.(he has since been educated on that point)

the system works, but it's not "stupid" enough for the average internet user.


Bad Frog, I'm going to take on this request personally and see what I can do for you and many others that are seeing the same need.

You can read about it on my site.

Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259657
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id242, I know you have that wysiwyg interface in the works, I'm looking forward to that


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Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259686
03/03/17 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by id242
hehe "300 baud: You can read the text it as it prints." That, and those internal modem cards were so much fun. COMs and IRQs!

I used to happily Peek and Poke on my Vic 20 and Commodore 64.. (Sigh), the Good ol Days...
smile

Bill

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