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Howdy folks!

Is the PM feature in 7.1.1 fully operational for users who have special characters in their display names?

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Originally Posted by Conrad
Howdy folks!

Is the PM feature in 7.1.1 fully operational for users who have special characters in their display names?
I fixed this by changing my character set to UTF-8.


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Thanks, good to know that there's a quick solution available.

What happens to all those special characters when you switch to UTF-8? Are they all available, including all the strange ones like the trademark symbol, etc.?

As for 7.1.1, is the feature fixed or is moving to UTF-8 still the only way around the issue?

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If you change the codepage to utf-8 all special chars goes to ? or other strange symbols. The content of the database need to be converted too frown


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Originally Posted by Zarzal
If you change the codepage to utf-8 all special chars goes to ? or other strange symbols. The content of the database need to be converted too frown
This is correct; however ™ and © work just fine with mine no problem without having to be converted.


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Ok, so back to my original question, is the PM issue in 7.1 fixed in 7.1.1?

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I don't believe so, as the issue is a character set issue and Rick hasn't made a converter of database information to convert data to UTF-8; else you'd end up with a ton of ?'s in posts at times


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Yeah, that's the crux of the issue right there. I can't change the default to utf-8 because it would cause problems with existing installations that use a lot of special characters. New installations could and should be done this way.

The only real way to do it is in an upgrade where each post can be converted to utf-8. The upgrade will be a bit time consuming as it will have to convert each post, so it will need to be on a major release number and not necessarily a bug fix.

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Right, just to clear things up, is the 7.1 PM issue fixed in 7.1.1 for users with special characters in their display names?

Or is converting to UFT-8 the only way around this bug for the time being?

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Originally Posted by Conrad
Right, just to clear things up, is the 7.1 PM issue fixed in 7.1.1 for users with special characters in their display names?
It is NOT fixed in 7.1.1

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Or is converting to UFT-8 the only way around this bug for the time being?
This IS the fix, until a way can be devised to convert all old posts to UTF-8 this will not however be pushed out.


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We have a few people that have switched to their language encoding to UTF-8 without any problems, which fixes it, but they don't have any special characters in their postings, or very few which they weren't worried about, so it wasn't a problem for them.


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Thanks guys, are we close to seeing a fix released for this? Because right now I'm left with a product that I am unable to upgrade to 7.1 or 7.1.1 due to this whole PM thing. wink

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It's hard to say. This is a major deal as it's not something we can just quickly write and call it good. Later versions of PHP 5+ have built in functions to do a conversion, while earlier versions do not and will need to have something like iconv installed in order to convert the charset. Database collations will also need to be altered more than likely, so at this point I haven't even had a chance to thoroughly look at how we'll be able to accomplish this.

The other option is to rework the private message portion to not use xml and just use plaintext as we do with the preview post area. I'm not sure if this is feasible yet and if we can do the full Private Message options we have now if we go that route, but it's something I'm looking at.

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Yeh, for those who use languages other than english, I'm sure there will be quite a few problems wink


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Just a note on this. We should have 7.1.1 released to the members area early next week.

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Thanks Rick, please let me know if the upcoming release will allow users running ISO encoding to upgrade to 7.1.2+.

Even though I am a foreigner currently residing in Poland I have to ensure that my users have a fully-functional bulletin board with all options available to them. I cannot change their language, though changing the encoding to the Unicode standard is fine with me as long as somone can "hold me by the hand" and lead me through the process. wink

I guess the bottom line is that as an Infopop/Groupee customer, with a gold license which pretty much proves my commitment to Rick's software masterpiece which is by far the best product on the market, I would like to keep my forums updated with the newest version available. So when one of the key functions stops working for users with one of the ISO encoding standards, I just want to know what the future holds for us. Can I stay with Groupee, or must I change my forum software?

I want to stay and Rick has proven over the years that he is the true leader when it comes to forum software, and he even carried out my forum upgrade which was 100% successful and became applauded by thousands of visitors to my site. So I am hoping to stay as one of Infopop's or Groupee's oldest gold customers, and this will remain my top priority.

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Originally Posted by Conrad
Even though I am a foreigner currently residing in Poland I have to ensure that my users have a fully-functional bulletin board with all options available to them. I cannot change their language, though changing the encoding to the Unicode standard is fine with me as long as somone can "hold me by the hand" and lead me through the process. wink
Should be no harder than clicking update and having it go through all of your posts to update posted encodings.

And I agree, Rick is the man wink


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Yeah, that's the crux of the issue right there. I can't change the default to utf-8 because it would cause problems with existing installations that use a lot of special characters. New installations could and should be done this way.

The only real way to do it is in an upgrade where each post can be converted to utf-8. The upgrade will be a bit time consuming as it will have to convert each post, so it will need to be on a major release number and not necessarily a bug fix.

As a side-note: when my vps was recreated to use FC5 I was updated to MySQL 5.0.something and all data converted to utf-8. I haven't seen any ? but it's possible we never used the extended symbols.


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Just installed 7.1.1. Install is complete and board is operating fine.

Question: When the install script attempted to upgrade the language files it failed because most of the files were 755. I changed them all to 777 and repeated the step and all went well after that. What should the permissions on the files in that directory be? Should I leave them at 777 or chmod them back to 755?

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Normally you need to do directories as either 775 or 777, and the files as 666. If you use the control panel to edit the language files from time to time, then you can leave the permissions writable. If you never change the default language strings, then you don't have to keep them writable during normal operation.

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OK. Thanks.

Not sure how they got to 755 in the first place....

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The installer told me that scriots/manageoptions.inc.php is no longer needet and he delete the file. Is this correct? The file is in the 7.1.1 distribution. I'm not sure about this file.


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Just copy files to directories *.*? Won't harm current configuration? My 7.1 was JUST installed a few weeks ago.

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manageoptions is no longer needed Zarzal. It should have been removed from the distribution. I'll get that done.

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Originally Posted by PopWireless
Just copy files to directories *.*? Won't harm current configuration? My 7.1 was JUST installed a few weeks ago.

You never want to override your includes, styles, or cache_builders/custom directories. These all contain information specific to your install. If you haven't done any template/language/image modifications then you can copy all of the files to the other directories however.

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Theres a 7.x upgrade guide here


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Don't feel bad Marky, some big bugs have to wait for a big release!


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A actually feel better now youve worded it like that smile
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