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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: sniper910] #196114 09/03/2007 2:09 PM
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yes lol

Jesus NT we found your neesh ( i clicked then frowned ) lol

Isnt the human body amazing....


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: sniper910] #196118 09/03/2007 3:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sniper910
IE7 Sucks Get FF.....


No way hosee. I just have it on some seldomly used testmachine here, because I had to test something once smile


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i'm in the going through the change lol


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Mark S] #196132 09/03/2007 4:06 PM
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i have crossed over to the dark side { FF } and never lookin back smile

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Its been a life saver as far as development of websites
and css smile enjoying the ride.


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Mark S] #196135 09/03/2007 4:31 PM
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Ehr, I might be on the anti FF side (I'm not saying it's a bad product, I just see no reason why I should switch), but how can a specific browser be a life saver for developing websites?

My daily life confronts me with the fact that you have to test everything in all of them to make sure get what you want.


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Yarp™] #196137 09/03/2007 4:38 PM
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well, for debugging, FF > IE.. take web devolper, firedebug, livehttpheaders, switch proxy, Fiddler2, phpDebugger toolbar and poof..

much better for debugging: php, ajax and .js and DOM / css related stuff in general.

oh and for when i need to see what it looks like in IE, i just 'view in IE tab' laugh

right now, i think you are at the stage where Quai Chang Cain was before he finally snatched the pebbles from the master's hand.. go for it dude !! [Linked Image]

Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: sniper910] #196138 09/03/2007 4:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sniper910
Im not gonna read through 184 pages but has gizmos temptation held out?


Yeah - he's been a tower of strength.
Not a single post since day #1 wink


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Originally Posted by Sirdude
right now, i think you are at the stage where Quai Chang Cain was before he finally snatched the pebbles from the master's hand..

It's a distant memory now - but I vaguely remember Cain explaining how....

...water that passes around the stone slowly erodes it (meaning you should be flexible) - - and the idiot cowboy answers "Chinaman - I dunno wat the hell yer talkin' about"

--- ah, you had to be there.... smile



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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: driv] #196140 09/03/2007 5:22 PM
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driv, those last two posts are in the 'priceless' category!!

if you only threw in a 'grasshopper' for good measure, you'd have had a trifecta! laugh

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Originally Posted by Sirdude
well, for debugging,


well, the cats out of the bag, I am pretty bad at webdesign itself. I'm a programmer, and kinda still live with the html knowledge I got about 15 years ago. I do tables to get things on the right spot, I use frames, know absolutely nothing about css (except how te spell it), and somehow I'm able to get on screen what I want smile The only new stuff I know are the quirks of xhtml.

Coding itselve is my game, and a game I play pretty well. I am pretty good at learning along the way without any real indepth study on languages I stumble upon.

So for debugging stuff, I don't know the difference between browsers. But for just surfing the web, I don't see any reason to pick FF over IE (or the other way around for that matter).


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Well I know a few.

My Bank does not support FF
Microsoft Game Zone does not support FF (for some games)
MSDN uses an inline tree view that FF does not support

I do use FF now though for most browsing as it's blocking works better than IE7 (especially when using other plug-ins)

Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: sniper910] #196148 09/03/2007 7:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sniper910
IE7 Sucks Get FF.....
:falls off chair laughing: amen!

Originally Posted by sniper910
Im not gonna read through 184 pages but has gizmos temptation held out?
It lasted for a while, then became a "now long can navaho last" thread that lasted all of a day wink...


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Gizmo] #196149 09/03/2007 7:37 PM
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Other good FFox uses:
Tidy - (x)html compliancy, (x)html validity.
Color Picker - Get the hex value of any pixel in your browser from the current page.
YSlow - See why the page takes so long to load.
Browser Timer - catalog how much time you spend both online in general and at each site.
No Squint - set font sizes on a site by site basis, so hard to read sites are no more.
webmaster toolbar - allows tweaking of values on some sites (including hidden input variables which can be fun)
XRay - see in-line the html values of a page as they occour

Hundreds/thousands of useful addons (and millions of crappy ones)


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Gizmo] #196155 09/03/2007 9:20 PM
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Have never been able to "get" the whole IE vs Firefox thing. Why can't people use both? In fact, if developing websites, we really should use both.

I use IE for most things, but I use FF too. laugh

Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Rose] #196162 09/03/2007 9:36 PM
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Same boat for me Rose.

For some reason there are those that often take a very personal level of interest in such things as though they were part of the development.
There are some that don't really care about the merits as long as it's not made by Microsoft.

What ever software you use, if you're happy with it, that's fine with me. Just don't feel you have to spend your time or life trying to get me to convert unless I've asked you about it.

Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: ntdoc] #196165 09/03/2007 9:56 PM
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true, i must admit i need both, but when i need IE, it's in a FF tab.

so i really won't poo poo m$oft. i love their products and their stock too! i made a lotta dough from them in the 80's..

/me kisses Bill Gate's feet laugh

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You def need both especially if you are developing stuff. I use ff for everything I can, some you do need IE though. Nothing makes more more mad than a site that forces you to use a certain browser or the site wont work. What I do hate is I have FF set as my browser but internally when using lets say messenger it will open up IE to check mail from messenger. If you set it as your preferred browser it should be honored by whatever OS you are using.

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Actually think there is a fix for that (not certain) but was reading something similar on a site recently.

Might want to do some searching for a Reg mod to make that happen.

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I read something like that a while back before I went to ff. Guess I should go look into i. Thanks for the reminder wink

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Originally Posted by Sirdude
true, i must admit i need both, but when i need IE, it's in a FF tab.
Do you have a Linky Poo sounds intresting smile


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Gizmo] #196197 09/04/2007 7:30 AM
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Cheers from me also - didn't know about that! smile


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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: gliderdad] #196207 09/04/2007 3:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gliderdad
Nothing makes more more mad than a site that forces you to use a certain browser or the site wont work.


I kind of blame the browser if a site doesn't work. There's standards on paper that firefox lives by, and standards in real life in the actual world.

My biggest problem with FF that not everything works in it. If I use something, I want to use it for everything, and I don't like to switch for site X.


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Originally Posted by blaaskaak


My biggest problem with FF that not everything works in it. If I use something, I want to use it for everything, and I don't like to switch for site X.


Thats what I meant, sorry wink

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Originally Posted by blaaskaak
My biggest problem with FF that not everything works in it. If I use something, I want to use it for everything, and I don't like to switch for site X.


Sometimes it's a good thing; it reminds us that so many people use IE.

It's a pain having to check every site in several browsers, but I guess the majority of users are still using IE - so we have to!


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Originally Posted by driv
I guess the majority of users are still using IE - so we have to!


No need to guess when you have stats, 85% of the themepark.nl visitors are using internet explorer. 12% Firefox.


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There ya go QED!


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Originally Posted by blaaskaak
My biggest problem with FF that not everything works in it. If I use something, I want to use it for everything, and I don't like to switch for site X.
you can, with the ietab extention wink...



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Re: Temptation : Is it too great? [Re: Gizmo] #197065 09/11/2007 6:28 PM
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Good Evening, ive been kinda busy wink


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Originally Posted by Mark S
Good Evening, ive been kinda busy wink


Greetings smile Trust you are well...

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Hi Marky! smile

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Thanks for the welcomes wink

Hope everyone else is well wink


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there, i feel better now..

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Originally Posted by Mark S
Hope everyone else is well wink

Yeah not bad thanks, although I put on a few pounds on holiday and my knee was a bit stiff when I got up this morning wink


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Jumping off wardrobes again ?


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