And Eileen made up the 'Frame' type lay out over at WOPR. I use the 'Collapsed threads' in the left pane and the 'Flat mode' in the right pane. It works real well, even though, Eileen hates it,the combination of the two is real neat. And one can see where they are within the grouping.

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