I'll try this, but I really think something else is going on here. In the new dir, I have made certain that it is CHMOD 777 and the test in the control panel does work just fine - says the dir exists and is writable. But yet, even when I post a new message and attach a file, the picture will not display when I click the attach link. (but the file DOES get uploaded when I do the attachment) YET - in the Files table the count does get incremented every time I attemp to view it, so at least that part of the download.inc.php script is working.