I already back up the web files FTP but the MYSQl database (New to me) is on another server. Just anxious after upgrading from Classic and wanted to make a backup. So you are telling me that the UBB control panel will only backup the tables even with the all tables option selected. To make a full backup I need another tool such as PHPADMIN. Back to the PHPADMIN DOC files I guess. Where is the match for the candle.