I think i might have asked the wrong question as i did not understand your all replies. in layman terms what i am trying to do is to keep the right and left columns, however the part in the middle where the forums are listed i need a blank page to come up there so i can edit a script for a video player like real or WMP. i understand how to make the site map and to create the links in it etc. just not sure how you create a blank page. I am assuming that the area where the forums are that each box with the boarder is called an island. if so i would need a page size island still keeping the left and right columns there. What threw me off from the responses was the wrapper thing. Is there a glossary of terms for UBBDev.?