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thats a copy and paste.

optimize table command.
i can give that a go.

i only used "check tables" via phpadmin view.
as there were no errors (come back as ok) i thought that was the end.

i can try the optimize table command in the morning when the forums are quiet. so another 10hrs.

Thanks Ruben.

i do have just under 8,500 users.
i will optimize all the tables with user as a prefix.