Thanks for the reply, I'll email them, but I am confused, which is easy. smirk

In a nutshell can you tell me what has changed in the last year or so? I swear that it was just in the last year or so I was able to sign up for a demo at the link I posted. Ownership or something? Sorry, I don't follow these forums or UBB very closely but a customer was in the market for forum software so I set up php for them, and wanted to let them try UBB also.

TIA