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direct image upload #259357
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biggest complaint I get is what a pain it is to post images.

when can we expect a file manager/image uploader that allows people to upload and post their images directly to the topic?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259362
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So, your users don't like that they can now drag and drop into the upload manager's popup? Or that it provides a preview of the file being attached?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259364
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am I missing out on something?

how do enable the attachment manager for all forums/posts?


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ok, I didn't realize gallery options were global now.
I figured out how to get the file manager up, and upload photos..

but how does it get from the file manager to the post?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259366
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All files just display in an attachments area on the post they're attached to.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259367
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I see that I can click on the image and drag to the post window, and I get the direct URL to it, but no automatic tagging.
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/tmp/2286.jpg

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259368
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ooohh., why didn't that show up in my preview?

I get it now


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which universe would you chose?

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ok, I understand it now.

would still be nice if there was an easy way to get them in the post directly.

yes, I can copy it and add the image tags, but a lot of my users are slow and spoiled by FB.


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step backwards...

instead of showing up as images, it shows up as the file name on my forum

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259378
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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?

I choose Stargate Universe; ancient discovery ships on a quest to discover the big bang...

Are you sure you updated all of your /templates/default files?


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Gizmo] #259380
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?

I choose Stargate Universe; ancient discovery ships on a quest to discover the big bang...

Are you sure you updated all of your /templates/default files?


check and double check

is there something I have to enable somewhere?

I've checked settings for the forum. made sure number of attachments and attachment size there,
checked usergroup (admin in this case) and made sure those were all allowed and had proper quantities/file size limits


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And...
I can't copy the link it creates and add IMG tags, it 404s ?


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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
And...
I can't copy the link it creates and add IMG tags, it 404s ?


nevermind, figured out that part.


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so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary

Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group

Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

If the image is larger than this number, it will just be shown as a file attachment without a thumbnail, and without a gallery view. Just as an attachment.

So if you want all attached images to display inlined in the gallery view, use the same MB here, that you used in your "Max size for attached files" field for that forum/group.

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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
which universe would you chose?


ot -
i have no clue what the one on the left is.
the one on the right is the unasked-for cgi version that they've replaced all the cut-scenes with on TOS.

hint: if you rotate this attached image 180d, it looks like he is running in Australia.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259398
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Testing the drag feature sorry if i'm in the wrong topic if so just delete.
On my forrum I set rules that only upgraded premeium members can upload attachments so I guess this works the same.
need to check that.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259399
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Originally Posted by id242
Originally Posted by Bad Frog
so, any other suggestions on getting the attachment to show as an image and not just a file name?


Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary

Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group

Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

If the image is larger than this number, it will just be shown as a file attachment without a thumbnail, and without a gallery view. Just as an attachment.

So if you want all attached images to display inlined in the gallery view, use the same MB here, that you used in your "Max size for attached files" field for that forum/group.



I've made sure all those fields are set to 1mb. Still only displays the file name, not as an image


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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259401
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I've uploaded all the templates again, I've made sure all attachments and gallery settings are set to 1mb in both the forum permissions and the user permissions and I rebuilt the posts.


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this is not a gallery setting. its an attached file setting.

if you set. the max inline image display setting to 1MB but allow 2MB attached files, then ever attached image over 1MB will not be shown.

you want them show, correct?


so then set the max inline image size to the same (or higher) than the max attachment file size setting

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set it to "99" to have all attached images always display smile

Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259410
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I set everything to the same value


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here's a screenshot

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1) Go to Control Panel » General Display Settings | Primary
2) Expand the "Topic & Post Page Settings" group
3) Enter "Max File Size for Displaying Uploaded Images Inline" in MegaBytes.

From that field's description:
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If an image is attached to the post, and if it is smaller than the specified size, it will be displayed in the post. Do not use commas. You may use decimal places, such as 0.5, to specify half of a MegaByte.



Attached image is what your previous setting was 0.

I just updated that number to 1. Which is 1 MegaByte.

Attached images now work fine

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Screenshot after entering "1" in that field

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I though lt 1048576 = 1mb from the way it's worded?


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The field is asking for "MB" -- thats what the "MB" next to the field means.

The "You may use decimal places, such as 0.5, to specify half of a MegaByte" part means that you can use 0.5 to specify a half of a MB in that field.

"1 MB = 1,048,576 Bytes" means that we are using a 1024 base to determine what a byte is. Currently in the "tech vs math" world, there is a "back and forth" over what "Kilo" actually means. Some are saying that its based on multiples of "1,000" and others are saying its based on multiples of "1,024." This all depends on measurements and storage capacities. You can google these discussions. My intent of showing that "1 MB = 1,048,576 Bytes" in the example, was to so what base the software was using. That base is used all over the UBBT software, well before I ever touched it. (ot: much much prior to that, I came from kermit & z-modem transfer protocols in telegard & wwiv with a 1200baud modem.)

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ok, i had (obviously) completely missed that setting,
I was just going by the permissions tab, and that's where it got confusing.

• You may use shorthand byte values: K (Kilo), M (Mega).
1K = 1,024 Bytes
1M = 1,048,576 Bytes
• You may use decimal places such as 0.5M, to specify half of a MegaByte.
• Do not use commas.

so I need to enter 1M there, not 1048675 ?


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"You may use shorthand byte values"

That single word means that you MAY use either.

If you want to use full bytes, you can. if you want to use shorthand, you can do that also.

The entry pages are different. Completely different sections. Completely different pages. Completely different URLs.

Read the descriptions for the field you are entering data into. laugh

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ok, now that that's all sorted out, (thank you!)

I still think there should be an easier way to go from file manager to inline/in post photos with IMG tag directly, without having to copy and paste links


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Originally Posted by Bad Frog
ok, now that that's all sorted out, (thank you!)

I still think there should be an easier way to go from file manager to inline/in post photos with IMG tag directly, without having to copy and paste links


A drag-drop, full WYSIWYG text editor is something that I started working on a few months ago smile
It still has a few major bugs in how it treats HTML/BBCode, but it is in the works.

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A drag-drop, full WYSIWYG text editor is something that I started working on a few months ago smile
It still has a few major bugs in how it treats HTML/BBCode, but it is in the works.


awesome!

will this be an update for 7.6.x? or part of a whole new build/release?


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I dont have an answer for that question at this time. just know that its being worked on laugh

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Originally Posted by id242
I dont have an answer for that question at this time. just know that its being worked on laugh


knowing that is encouraging


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I think the Attachment Manager may end up being confusing to the end user. Most people want to upload a photo and they are looking for a button to do it. If you upload a photo that is too large with the Attachment Manager, the pop-up window gives you the option to return to the previous page (many users do not even understand the file size of their photos and doubly so with mobile devices). When you return, it is still trying to upload the photo.

If a user uploads a photo and ends up with something like ... 19572702800_b27b91bb9d_o (1).jpg (2 downloads) ... they will think there is a problem with our software.

I think most people would like to upload an image and see it dropped right in to the post. We have a good image uploader on our 7.5.8 forums (added by SD). The only problem is that it does not offer the option to rotate the image.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled you guys are updating UBB.

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The one feature I liked about SD's mod is it will segregate uploads in different folders.
I think it was by user.
So you don't run the issue of over ten thousand files in one folder when you run a ftp backup.


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Re: direct image upload [Re: JPG] #259558
02/27/17 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JPG
I think the Attachment Manager may end up being confusing to the end user. Most people want to upload a photo and they are looking for a button to do it. If you upload a photo that is too large with the Attachment Manager, the pop-up window gives you the option to return to the previous page (many users do not even understand the file size of their photos and doubly so with mobile devices). When you return, it is still trying to upload the photo.

If a user uploads a photo and ends up with something like ... 19572702800_b27b91bb9d_o (1).jpg (2 downloads) ... they will think there is a problem with our software.

I think most people would like to upload an image and see it dropped right in to the post. We have a good image uploader on our 7.5.8 forums (added by SD). The only problem is that it does not offer the option to rotate the image.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled you guys are updating UBB.


If a user cannot understand clicking the "Select File To Attach" button, or drag-and-dropping it within the window for attaching files, then what makes you sure they can understand how what "upload" even means?

If a user uploads a photo and they dont understand that the preview of the image they just uploaded, right next to the file name of of that image, is the file they just sent, then they probably also dont understand basic internet skills.

If after a file is attached to a post and it is not displaying a thumbnail in the "Attached Files" group under their post, then you probably have your forum configured to not show images larger than XX in size, or not display thumbnails at all. This is a forum setting, not a user setting. If you intend for the image thumbnail to be displayed, and it is not, you have your forum misconfigured.
http://www.ubbcentral.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/259408/re-direct-image-upload#Post259408

Be warned about SD's attached-files hack ("picupload") -
1) it doesnt natively handle files that are not images.
2) it disables the built-in file attachment settings. so basically, it doesnt respect the site settings for attachments.
You can only upload files with .jpg or .png extensions (not including ".jpeg"), "Even though 'ATTACHMENT_TYPES' => '.gif,.jpg,.jpeg,.png,.css,.txt,.pdf,.gz,.rar,.tar,.tgz,.zip',"
3) the interface buttons are too tiny to tap on for mobile
4) if you click on (or tap, on mobile) outside of the window, you've lost everything you uploaded, EXCEPT, it still sits on the forum's servers. (or these files may just sit in a temp directory until XX criteria is met.)
5) there is no count to show how many things you've attached once you leave the window.
6) its another database table. one where the files and date dont get pruned when you delete posts or topics with attachments.
7) no official upgrade path from version to version of UBB.threads
8) if the file names have spaces, they are stored on the server also with those spaces.
9) upload a file on a linux server that begins with a dot, and the file will be hidden.
10) if I upload a file, then preview it in my post and find out that I no longer want it, I cannot go back and delete it from the server. I can remove it from showing in my post, but it will still stay on the server, IIRC.
11) to expand on #10, if I submit the post. then read it and want to make changes with EDITPOST, I have no access to that file. its still on the server somewhere. I can remove the url link from my post content, but this does not control the actual file, and I cannot remove the old one. so, if I have topic where I constantly update the post to have attachments of a new version of my screenshot/document/software file, I cannot remove the old version screenshots/versions form the server. but can upload additional screenshots/versions.

Attached image is a simulation of what SD's attached-files hack ("picupload") looks like on the iPhone (320x480) with a viewport of 1:1. Its not at all mobile-friendly. It requires a lot of scrolling around and is very easy to click outside of the box, and then the user needs to start all over again.

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Re: direct image upload [Re: Bad Frog] #259559
02/27/17 04:41 PM
02/27/17 04:41 PM
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I've been running UBB for about 17 years on multiple forums. I'm just trying to offer you some feedback based on my experience with our users. I never said a user could not figure out what "select file" or "drag and drop" means. The Attachment Manager is quirky when you try to upload an image that is too large. Like I said in the last post, the average user does not always understand the file size of their photos.

As for SD's image uploader, we've been using it for a few years and it's offered our members a nice solution to uploading images directly without having to use a third party host. Also, as I stated, we are using the image uploader on our forums that have not been upgraded to 7.6.

Re: direct image upload [Re: isaac] #259560
02/27/17 04:50 PM
02/27/17 04:50 PM
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I understood all that as well as before.

What I liked was that uploads were segregated in multiple folders.
Instead of one huge folder with a mishmash of anything.
So don't think I am a 100% advocate of the mod ,just that some features we never had before that were beneficial were a welcome item to the standard upload manager at the time.

Last edited by Ruben; 02/27/17 04:51 PM.

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