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As far as I am concerned Infopop doesn't know the meaning of the word "Customer Service". After calling tech support on the phone this afternoon I was told I had to submit a "ticket". I explained to Lori (she is allegedly one of the top people at Infopop, I'll let you read her e-mails to me and draw your own conclustion). I explained my problem on the phone and told them that I had TALKED with Jacob last week in Tech support and he told me where to find the answer to my problem. I followed his advice but still could accomplish what I wanted to get done. (BTW I shelled out an extra $150 for tech support........I still haven't figured out WHY I wasted the money). Anyway............here it is 3 1/2 hours later, and 10 or 15 STUPID e-mail responses from Lori and Charles (tech support) and not ONE SINGLE morsel of useful information from infopop. Now, I know I am just a lowly customer (soon to be former customer), but it makes sense to me......that after the second e-mail from me....that they would have said" Please call and explain your problem, so we can assist you". But NO......that would make to much sense, and it isn't following their "PROCEDURES" LOL. What a joke. And NOW..they want us to use them for web hosting? LOL

Here is the link if you want to check out how they handle tech supports questions and customer concern problems by e-mail. Be sure you have a strong stomach before you go there.

https://www.infopop.com/q/q.php?a=vt&ticket=1024611816-Q8QS9

[This message was edited by Musky on June 20, 2002 at 06:32 PM.]

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I get a DNS error when I follow that link. Can you elaborate on what you're trying to find an answer to?

I hate having to open tickets, too, but I also know from having worked in customer support for 30 years, that sometimes, you need to see a problem for yourself in order to find a solution.

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I have cut and pasted the entired e-mail exchange so you can see what a waste of time it has been.


Ticket 1024611816-Q8QS9
Status: Open and Assigned
Assigned To: Lori Leseberg, , Infopop Corporation



From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 03:23 PM
Subj: Template styles

I have been trying for over a week to add an additional banner to my message board. I was directed to your website by Jacob last week and I followed all of the instructions (I think) but I can't seem to create another style or what ever you call it.

I Have TWo separate sponsors...........andf I want to be able to display various banners for EACH.
One group should be called Royal Sports...... and the other is Pinnacel SPorts.

HELP




From: Charles Capps
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 03:35 PM

Hello George,

I can't seem to find any tickets you've opened in the past with Jacob discussing exactly what you're trying to do.

Can you describe, in detail, exactly what you are attempting to do, what you have tried to do, what the results were, etc? The more I know about what you're trying to do, the better - incluidng error messages and the exact URLs to resources you used.

Thank you!

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Programmer, Infopop Corporation




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 03:46 PM

Charles:

Please forward your response to Lori and tell her for me "I told you so"




From: Lori Leseberg
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 04:05 PM

George: This hardly counts as "I told you so" material. First of all, Charles asked you very legitimate questions, none of which you've provided the answer to. While you've been assisted by Jacob in the past, as I told you on the phone, Jacob is not here today (or tomorrow, or Monday), so you will have to provide Charles some more information before he can help you.

George, we are trying to provide you customer support, but we need a little help from you, please.

Lori Leseberg, CPA
Vice President and Controller
Infopop Corporation
www.infopop.com




From: Lori Leseberg
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 04:09 PM

George: another note to you in relation to our phone call. You asked what your annual support fee covered: I can tell you that it covers support. NOT customization, which is what you apparently are looking for from us, but assistance with your own customization.

Charles stands ready and willing to help you, but he needs the information before he can do that.


Lori Leseberg, CPA
Vice President and Controller
Infopop Corporation
www.infopop.com




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 04:25 PM

LORI:
Over one hour has now transpired since I made my first call you Tech support in an attempt to explain my problem and get a solution. As I stated, It appears that you are more concerned with "Procedures" than you are in resolving a customer problems. Some things are too difficult to try and explain in an e-mail than they are on the phone.

I think it is time for me to look for a new Message board forum that is more responsive to my needs....and less concerned about "Procedure"
And tell Jacob....that NO.......I will not now be switching my website and message board to Infopop for web hosting.
Good luck with your new way of dealing with your customers problems.




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:02 PM

One last thing. Check my message forum and my website in a couple of days and see what I have to say about "infoPop". I am glad that your business is so good that you can take losing customers so lightly.

Please not. That I am withdrawing ANY authorization that I may have given you to access my website of my message forum.

Do NOT use any of the information (passwords-usernames etc)that I sent to you.




From: Charles Capps
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:07 PM

George,

Please do not take my frankness as an insult - it is most certainly not meant that way.

Calm down. You are overreacting.

Jacob is not here. He won't be here for a few days.

We don't know what you were doing with Jacob.

We can't ask Jacob because he is not here.

You aren't telling us what you were doing with Jacob.

We *WANT* to help you finish whatever it was you were doing with Jacob.

But you aren't telling us what you were doing with Jacob.

Please tell us what you were doing with Jacob so that we *CAN* help you.

If you don't tell us what you are trying to do, we can't very well help you do it. <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Please keep something in mind before considering switching to another provider.

You will quickly find that we are the only message board solution provider that lets non-enterprise customers call, no less publish a working phone number and a real street address.

Our support has consistantly been called top of the line - we're obviously falling short of that here because of a lack of communication. Please help us to help you.

Thank you for your paitence and understanding

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Charles Capps
Programmer, Infopop Corporation




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:21 PM

Charles:
I am not over-reacting. I have now spent 2 hours and 15 minutes sending and receiving e-mails to handle a problem that could have been explained COMPLETELY in a 5 minute telephone call.But you guiys are so wrapped up in making sure the correct procedures are followed that you have been TOTALLY non-responsive to my needs. Frankly, your customer service( and I use the term loosely) SUCKS.

I'm outta here and so is Infopop as far as I am concerned if this is your definition of "customer Service".




From: Lori Leseberg
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:22 PM

George:

I'd just like to add this: When you called in today, you were asked if you had filled out a support ticket. You had not, so you were directed to one. Why? So that we, as a support group, could have reference information available to call upon all available resources (yes, sometimes we confer on issues, and it's MUCH easier when we have a support ticket to refer to). Had you already filled one out, you would have been put back to the support group for a phone call.

The offer still stands: If you want to tell Charles what the issues are specifically, he's ready to help, by phone if necessary.

I'm sorry that you aren't happy with our support. As I told you on the phone, we want to provide excellent support to ALL of our customers, and as you will find with most companies, one must have procedures in place in order to do that.

If you choose to move on, I wish you the best.

Thanks,

Lori Leseberg, CPA
Vice President and Controller
Infopop Corporation
www.infopop.com




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:33 PM

Lori:

As I told you 2 1/2 hours ago.................I would write you...and you would write me.....and etc etc etc..and 2 hours later, I would be telling you" I already went to the website and followed the intructions for adding a second template style and we would be right back at sqaure one"

I TOLD YOU SO




From: Lori Leseberg
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:47 PM

George:

Not to beat a dead horse, but you are assuming that all we would do is point at the instructions and tell you to read. That's not so. We ask for error message information, etc., so we can HELP you solve the problem. Unfortunately, you're not willing to provide that information, so there's nothing we can do, and I'm sorry about that.

Lori Leseberg, CPA
Vice President and Controller
Infopop Corporation
www.infopop.com




From: George
Date: 20 Jun 2002 at 05:55 PM

Like I said Lori.

Check my message boards and website today or tomorrow. You'll get an eyefull..and MAYBE it will be an Eye OPENER......but I doubt it.
I just wasted $450 on a lousy message board with tech supports that SUCKS.
Good luck to you.





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It would appear you want to create a new style template. Did you try duplicating your existing one, then add in the second banner?

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Yes I tried that. It won't work. I was told I need to create a new STYLE. Not just a new template.

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You want the same look, colorscheme and html etc, just one with banner "A" and one with banner "B" right?

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JC:

I have to sponsors for my message boards.

Sponsor "A"
Sponsor "B"

EACH sponsor has 5 different banners. I want to be able to have FIVE Templates for each Sponsor. I already have the FIVE templ;ates for Sponsor "A" and everything works fine. But now I need to set up five DIFFERENT templates for Sponsor "B" I was told that I needed to add a new template STYLE...before I could and new templates.

Here is the link that Jacob gave me to accomplish what I wanted to do.
http://www.infopop.com/support/ubbclassic/UBB6all.html
After you ger there.....click on "Apply New Style" See if you can make heads or tails of it.

BTW Here is the link to my site:

http://www.muskymansports.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

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I'm going to ask a few simple sounding questions, but it's late and I don't want to misunderstand.

1) The 5 you have already, they are used for different forums within your board?

2) Would it be easier to have a banner rotation system? (Are these ad banners , i.e. the win a .. ones I see that are blue and yellow?

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1........ Yes
2..........Yes

But I want to decide which banner goes on which board.........ie.....I want to use a hroseracing banner on the horseracing board........and the Soccer banner on the soccer board. All of the Banners that you see are from SPONSOR "A". I can't figure out how to get Sponsor "B" 's banners added.

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One way is with a software setup that permits "zones" webadverts is one solution. Plus it gives your ad client the ability to log in and see stats etc. Are you on a unix server or NT?

You can find several other solutions here Click Here


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JC: Look two posts UP.......

I don't know if you noticed......but I edited in the link to the INFO Support page that I was given by Jacob in Tech Support.

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Yep I saw it, but that would give you a fixed banner per section, which is fine if you only have two sponsors, but what if you have more? Or is two it?

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JC:

I have no desire nor need for my sponsors to view anything on my site. I just want to get their banners displayed and be able to change them.

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I have Two and only Two sponsors. I will not be adding any new sponsors. ( I am picky as to whom I recommend LOL)

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Okay ..(forgive the robotic response below it's become habit..)

Open your control panel, and click on primary settings, then scroll to style templates and click. Now open a new browser window with the same page showing. In window "A" choose your current look and style from the drop menu. In window "B" click on "Create a new Style Template".
Copy and paste all values from "A" to "B" and give "B" a new name in the text box near the top. Once you are set replace banner a, with banner b.
Submit changes by clicking the grey button. Once that is done, look for the link "» Style Settings" and click. Then look for "» Edit Template Associations " and click. Once in here you will assign your new template where it needs to be.

Make sense?

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OK JC. I am gonna give it a try.

I'll let you kmnow how it goes......

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OK JC. I got thru most of it......but I couldn't find where you said: "Once that is done, look for the link "» Style Settings" and click. Then look for "» Edit Template Associations " and click. Once in here you will assign your new template where it needs to be."

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it was on the confirm screen after you saved the new style template. No prob, just go to the style templates main page and look for "» Edit Template Associations". In there you will first see the main pages of your forums. To set your new style template for each forum look for a smaller text link called "Forum Templates" then you can assign the new style template where you want it.

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JC:

I can't get it to work. I am going to hit the sack now and try it again tomorrow. I am going to double check the link to the banner and make sure I have it right. Thank you VERY much for your help. The purpose of my original post was to point out how stubborn and un-coperative INFOPOP TEch support was being. All of those back and forth e-mails from them were ridiculous. They should have justlet me call them and they could walk me thru it. They are idiots in my opinion. Thank you again. I will let you know tomorrow how it turns out.

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George-

I'm really saddened to hear you say these things. All of us have been more than willing to help you and I myself have spent many hours on the phone with you.

I'm shocked that the hours we've spent with you previously have come to this. Frankly, we've given you much help and worked around our policies many many times to assist you (we don't provide assistance with banners, etc, yet Charles was more than willing to assist you). We've asked you to follow our new policies and procedures and all that means is filling out a ticket and having some patience.

Hopefully, we'll be able to work with you further to resolve whatever issues you continue to have.

Kristi Miller
Infopop Customer Support
Fill Out A Trouble Ticket Here!

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Hi, Musky:

Since you've posted my entire email conversation with you, I won't over-elaborate, but I WILL say that, had you provided US the information that you provided JC, we'd have been happy to help, as well.

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In the past, I know I've been one to hassle infopop. As of recently, I've seen they've done more than they should as a company to assist clients. Musky, you were willing to point the finger, but as I see it in your support ticket...you never said what the problem was. Sure, maybe you explained it to Jacob...but Jacob isnt there, so if you want something done, be willing to reiterate the question. Charles was waiting for you to get moving so that he could help you in any way possible. Kristi, don't worry about this kid...He's not worth the hassle.

Musky, to simply put it...
Quit being such a dick to people who are honestly trying to help you. You're being an obnoxious prick and no person (especially people who are doing their best like Infopop) deserve that.

-Mike
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"There's no accounting for idiots." - Charles Capps

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Kristi:
Congrats on the engagement! I'm happy for you guys...good stuff. I've got the Godfather DVD Collection sitting next to me too <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> great movies..

-Mike
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"There's no accounting for idiots." - Charles Capps

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Amp, please refrain from personal insults. Thank you.

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Having problems? Open up a support ticket!

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Don't sweat it Infopop- some people are just total morons and nothing you do to try to help them will make them happy. Just my opinion! :rolleyes:

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IMO, this thread has gone way beyond where it needs to and should be closed and/or deleted.

My advice: If you are not satisfied with what you are getting, almost every Infopop employee has an email address publicly displayed. Feel free to email them. If you are satisfied, email them <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I agree, we've about finished with this conversation! Thanks for the feedback, all! I'm going to close this thread, now.....

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I'd like to finalize this thread by pointing out that in the end this was no more then a lack of communication between friends that got out of control, was then repaired and to be forgotten. <img src="https://www.ubbcentral.com/boards/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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