I just fixed it by following the same instructions given at the beginning of this thread. This is how pathetic I am: I had to ALSO find my phpadmin access by looking in a PM with SirDude from years ago :-) In that same thread he was chastising me for not upgrading ... that was 2 years ago! Now I should probably REALLY upgrade! What are the advantages of upgrading? If I seem stupid, its because I am :-) At least with forums!