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#251627 12/21/2012 5:10 PM
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WHAT? I thought Rick bought it back?

http://www.ubbforum.com/

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Jerry @ Hoop.la: Hello, thank you for visiting. Can I help you in any way?
me: there?
Jerry @ Hoop.la: Hi.
me: is this the ubbthreads?
Jerry @ Hoop.la: This is UBB forums. Are you looking for .threads? The old php board?
me: I thought they were the original. Is that correct?
Jerry @ Hoop.la: This is the company that started UBB.
no, They are not.
We are. They bought .threads from us years back but we are the original company
I don't think they even make it anymore.
me: ok..
can you import threads?
Jerry @ Hoop.la: certainy can, yes.


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I just got the email and chuckled...


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It looks like a re-branded Eve/UBB.X from years past...


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Curious thought.
Did you really get a email or did a search and got spammed.
It is exactly just like eve or ubb.x
All the ubbthreads faqs are like two years old.


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Huh? Do they still own the UBB brand?

According to this post on the Social Strata website the ownership of UBB.threads was transfered to Rick:
http://company.socialstrata.com/displaycontent/content/138500220577290387

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Like I said all reference to ubbthreads is two years old.
the link above is dated:
January 1, 2010


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I got the message too and came here to see what was going on. I find it ethically iffy for Social Strata to be naming their new product UBB if they sold the UBB name to Rick. To have two products in the "forum software" world both called UBB sounds quite infringing to me. It would be like Hostess selling the rights to Twinkie to someone else, then a few years later starting up a new Twinkie-style product and calling it Twinkie Cake. It would infringe on the rights they sold, and create confusion in the marketplace.

I wonder if Social Strata figures that nobody has the money to sue them for doing this.

Also, I got two promo emails from them - one at my BellaOnline account and one at my WineIntro account. How did they have access to knowing about both of those accounts? Wouldn't rights to my account information have gone with the sale of UBB to Rick? Did they actually retain rights to keep using the data? If they just scanned this forum here, I only post with my BellaOnline username.

I find this incredibly sleazy. Unless, of course, the new UBB owners really did sell rights to a hosted version of UBB, in which case it's going to be quite confusing if the hosted version and the non-hosted version are showing up on two completely different websites.


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I get this mail too and the first thing I do is looking here whats going on.

/lol: Bella wrote the same 1 minute ago...

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It was an email; I got this from Dave at Social Strata:
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Since I know people are going to ask: Rick bought the UBB.threads product and only UBB.threads. He also received the ubbcentral.com website as part of the sale.

Anything and everything else related to UBB, Ultimate Bulletin Board, or UBB.classic was not a part of this sale. We retained everything else.

Social Strata, formerly Groupee, formerly Infopop, formerly Madrona Park, etc. still owns the Ultimate Bulletin Board name and it was not part of the sale; Rick purchased rights to UBB.Threads from Groupee and only UBB.threads.


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Originally Posted by BellaOnline
Also, I got two promo emails from them - one at my BellaOnline account and one at my WineIntro account. How did they have access to knowing about both of those accounts? Wouldn't rights to my account information have gone with the sale of UBB to Rick? Did they actually retain rights to keep using the data? If they just scanned this forum here, I only post with my BellaOnline username.
I got two as well, one to my UBBDev license and one to my "normal" license email (which all of my other licenses fall under).


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Now I'm fully confused. Too much names, too much renames. I sit back and wait what happen after the X-mas holydays. Maybe the I have a clear view about this.


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Originally Posted by Gizmo
It was an email; I got this from Dave at Social Strata:
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Since I know people are going to ask: Rick bought the UBB.threads product and only UBB.threads. He also received the ubbcentral.com website as part of the sale.

Anything and everything else related to UBB, Ultimate Bulletin Board, or UBB.classic was not a part of this sale. We retained everything else.
hmmm even so...

Originally Posted by BellaOnline
I find this incredibly sleazy.
+1. well dodgy.

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I am not aware of the legality of the issue
But since most all of us started with Ted using classic I am sure he held on to that database.
I for one am not interested in a hosted service.
It is strange that Ted went from classic to Eve to ubb.x,social strata and then ubbforum. Sounds to be phishing for ubbthreads users.


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Well, it's pretty simple, as it stands UBB.threads brand name is "UBB.threads"; did Rick ever refer to it as "Ultimate Bulletin Board Threads" since he purchased it?


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Hello, thank you for visiting. Can I help you in any way?
heh - last time she spoke to me was to tell me to change my avatar!
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Well, it's pretty simple, as it stands UBB.threads brand name is "UBB.threads"; did Rick ever refer to it as "Ultimate Bulletin Board Threads" since he purchased it?

C'mon Giz - everyone associates 'UBB' with this place.

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WOW! what a popular topic.
Everybody is reading this.
Way to stir things up Stan.


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Stan the activist strikes again laugh

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It's funny how these guys want to use the UBB name, but when they owned the product they completely threw the project in the garbage until they sold it to Rick as they flailed around in the social software arena.


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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Well, it's pretty simple, as it stands UBB.threads brand name is "UBB.threads"; did Rick ever refer to it as "Ultimate Bulletin Board Threads" since he purchased it?

In index.php:
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// Ultimate Bulletin Board
// Script Version 7.5.7
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// Copyright (C) 2012, 2013 UBB Systems, LLC
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// You may not distribute this program in any manner, modified or
// otherwise, without the express, written consent from
// UBB Systems, LLC.
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// You may make modifications, but only for your own use and
// within the confines of the UBB License Agreement
// (see our website for that at http://ubbcentral.com).
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// Note: If you modify ANY code within your UBB, we at UBB Systems
// cannot offer you support -- thus modify at your own peril smile

and ubb.classic is also available in the members area

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Originally Posted by driv
C'mon Giz - everyone associates 'UBB' with this place.
Oh, I know and totally understand, I'm just saying that Rick wasn't sold the UBB brand name, just rights to the "UBB.threads" brand... Groupee retained all rights in the deal according to what I'm hearing from David...


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My email has just arrived too.
Not for me.


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I got the email too, and came to check it here.

Did you all get the "coupon" as well...? "33 1/3% off for Life!" Expires 12/31.

I had already checked out Hoop.la and didn't like it.


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I got the email as well and went directly to SD and then here for more info.

Not interested either in having a hosted service...

They look clean and modern, and have a lot of great features, but not for me.


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I don't like Social Strata's technique here. They start with:

"We created the original Ultimate Bulletin Board (UBB) in 1996. You probably knew our company as Infopop when you purchased your first UBB."

So they specifically say it's the software we bought and use. Then they go on to say:

"And now we have brought it back big time, this time as an entirely hosted service ..."

So the mindset they create is "you bought UBB from us and now we have our new version out" as if it's tied into the UBB software we're currently using.

They even say:

"The new UBB Forum has the following benefits ..."

We call this software here our UBB forum. So it completely creates the impression that this is a new version of our UBB forum software.


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I was very confused by the old company's E-mail too. I thought that as I had to renew my licence to get 7.57 last week after the long wait for full updates, I thought that UBB Threads 8.0 was a while away from development.

I then started laughing heartily when I realised it was the former company hawking for business, and I continued laughing to the point of incredulous disbelief when I saw the pricing at $75 A MONTH! Cough, choke... A MONTH!?!?! Are they off their heads? For forum software? LMAO. And for that money, *I* would want control.

The only words in my head at that moment were "Epic" and "Fail".

Confusing the public with naming issues (as Bella and others remarked upon above) is one thing but when VBulletin, UBB Threads and the rest out there already having cleaned up the market, this will be a dead donkey before it even leaves the stable.

I made the decision to stick with Threads and will continue to do so!


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Originally Posted by driv
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Originally Posted by Stan
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Add me to the initially-confused list. I was actually kind of excited when I saw the email's subject ("Re-Introducing The UBB") but quickly noticed it was from Social Strata.

The features sound nice, but the price doesn't. I'll wait here, thanks. wink


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Well the price alone would scare off most users.

For that price I can almost get a small dedicated server with a decent host.


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I knew I wasn't the only one to receive that email and I am not very impressed with it either also thinking the monthly price is ridiculous. Perhaps they thought UBB.Threads was finished? Very suspicious in my opinion. VIVA LA THREADS!


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We are preparing a statement, ubbforum.com is not associated with ubbcentral.com and is not an upgrade to UBB at all.

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Originally Posted by driv
Originally Posted by Gizmo
It was an email; I got this from Dave at Social Strata:
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Since I know people are going to ask: Rick bought the UBB.threads product and only UBB.threads. He also received the ubbcentral.com website as part of the sale.

Anything and everything else related to UBB, Ultimate Bulletin Board, or UBB.classic was not a part of this sale. We retained everything else.
hmmm even so...

Originally Posted by BellaOnline
I find this incredibly sleazy.
+1. well dodgy.


As much as I like Navaho (and Ted and his family), the email was in poor taste.

With their constant name-changes over the years and meandering business plans, it really isn't surprising tho.


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Originally Posted by AllenAyres
the email was in poor taste.

With their constant name-changes over the years and meandering business plans, it really isn't surprising tho.
+1


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If you read the initial text I posted,

>>>I don't think they even make it anymore.

Most of use would have agreed with that up until a few days ago.

So glad SD is back!


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I am sad to say I am the most confused person in ALL of this!

Question: Is Rick involved in ANY of this anymore? He's the only person I've ever worked with in terms of licensing, updating our board and all other tech support and discussion. So what's up?

Questions: If he is involved, how do we reach him? If not, who is running it now and who did the recent security update?

Question: For someone who wants tech support to update our site from 7.02 to current while keeping the current coloring etc. scheme, how do we get that done? Rick sold us the top of the line license (in fact, we bought a brand new license for the same site which he said was cheaper than paying him to just update from the original license. He also said we had tech hours coming to us from that license which would cover another update. Will those still be honored? If not, what is the cost of having this done because it is beyond our technical ability plus we fear losing data which is vital to our organizations archives.

We waited for years like many of you for the magical version 8.0 and all the goodies it would bring. That's why our version is so outdated. We'd love to enter the world of the current and safe latest version as the chinese fake registrations pour into our site relentlessly causing all sorts of problems and we're a sitting duck security wise.

Help!

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Ok Brian I will help out as much as I can to answer the questions.

Rick isn't involved anymore (as far as I know).
For tech support I would recommend speaking with the new owner (Brooks) by submitting a trouble ticket for the questions about the licensing and what he (or she) plans to honor..

SD has done most if not all of the recent patches and the new release (/upgrade). You could PM him or Gizmo as they would probably be the safest bet (imho) to upgrade your boards properly. That said I have also seen here (and not through any personal experience) heard that Tom at Express Hosting is also very knowledgeable about the software and has done some upgrades for people as well. I also heard that he was had friendly and good customer service. (So I guess based on what I have read here in the past few months about him, he should get an honorable mention as well).

I hope that helps...Oh BTW for the UBB10Years graphic, I think that it is also one of those you have to speak to Brooks about. (It is on my to do list as well but I haven't gotten around to it either).

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Originally Posted by JPFolks
Question: Is Rick involved in ANY of this anymore? He's the only person I've ever worked with in terms of licensing, updating our board and all other tech support and discussion. So what's up?
No, Rick is not with Groupee (or whatever they're called now), and he's no longer involved in .threads development.

Originally Posted by JPFolks
Questions: If he is involved, how do we reach him? If not, who is running it now and who did the recent security update?
UBBSystems is the owner of .threads, he is able to be reached via the support system here on UBBCentral.

Originally Posted by JPFolks
Question: For someone who wants tech support to update our site from 7.02 to current while keeping the current coloring etc. scheme, how do we get that done? Rick sold us the top of the line license (in fact, we bought a brand new license for the same site which he said was cheaper than paying him to just update from the original license. He also said we had tech hours coming to us from that license which would cover another update. Will those still be honored? If not, what is the cost of having this done because it is beyond our technical ability plus we fear losing data which is vital to our organizations archives.
You would either hire a 3rd party developer (such as myself or several others here) or hire UBBSystems to preform it for you via the "pricing and order" link. Questions directly to the powers that be usually need to go through the support system as these forums are more of a user to user support system.

Originally Posted by JPFolks
We waited for years like many of you for the magical version 8.0 and all the goodies it would bring. That's why our version is so outdated. We'd love to enter the world of the current and safe latest version as the chinese fake registrations pour into our site relentlessly causing all sorts of problems and we're a sitting duck security wise.
Well, my Stop Forum Spam modification from UBBDev is now included with the stock software and it should weed out a huge chunk of your spam registrations; the latest version at UBBDev is what was used as the basis of the now stock feature in 7.5.7 (in fact, it was released FOR the basis of the stock feature in 7.5.7).

Originally Posted by JPFolks
PS: I still don't understand how our board, which we started using in 1999 does not qualify us to have the UBB10YEARS graphic?
This is done manually, and the onlyone with access to validate license dates is UBBSystems; you'll need to send him a PT.


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