So neither worked! That is interesting to learn, Mark. Hmm, awhile ago, we set up a private forum for users with >150 posts and waited, watching as users came online and gained access. At first they couldn't see it (we PM'd to ask some individuals) but as soon as they posted once, that seemed to do the trick. Maybe by coincidence, they happened to be users that had all logged out and in... but I don't think(?) so. Now you have me puzzling about this all over again! lol

Another possible solution for handling trouble-makers might be to set up a separate 'moderated' user-group with restricted permissions, where posts require a moderators approval? It can be a time consuming task for moderators, and often their posts may have to sit waiting in the queue... but take away immediate posting privileges and the trouble-makers might learn quickly! It is like a semi-ban stage.

I don't know how to force a group update, so am curious too.