OK. will try to rename some and test. If it works I presume I can then just delete the renamed group?

I still can't see why it would effect the cookie though. . . but I suspect you have a reason.

I have about 20 regular members locked out and some mods - that lead's me to believe there are droves of others I don't know about.

Had a late automated response from tech support but am waiting.

Apart from this. . starting to piece it together. . . nice product - I can see many hours of playing ahead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />