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Influx of spam registrations #254357
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I'm used to the occasional spam registration attempts, but it seems in the last two weeks I've been getting a ton. Anyone else?

Here's what my queue currently looks like:

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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254358
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I have blocked anything form 163.com chinese spammers often...


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254368
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Yeah, times like this one needs to utilize the EMail/IP ban types (which now adays isn't much of an issue). I have a mod at UBBDev that changes the 7.5.7 StopForumSpam modification (and v7.5.8 has this stock) that make it so that ip's are looked up on signup.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254378
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We've been getting a ton of them too.
But the ones we get are multiple IP addresses and domains.

I could add each IP to the ban list, but I'm always a little concerned I might end
up shutting out someone legit.



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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254379
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Well, the copy of the Stop Forum Spam modification in v7.5.8 Refresh (the current codebase) tests IP's on registration as well which in your example shows the users listed so it should trigger them as well on registration. There are also modifications at UBBDev for Stop Forum Spam for both your version and the latest version to extend where it tests for users (in fact the change in 7.5.7 is also at UBBDev that was added to 7.5.8 to detect registration ip's).


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254382
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At 1:00 a.m., I cleaned out a bunch of different registration attempts. By 8:00 a.m., I had 24 sitting in my queue.

I don't get it. Is getting a spam message across to a few people on a forum, or gaining control of your board, that profitable? Seems likes a lot more trouble than it's worth. How exactly do these guys make a profit? Clearly when they do get through on a forum, their message is some nonsensical garbage that is immediately recognized as spam.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254383
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On a side note, I've already blocked "@163.com" but those registration attempts still get through. What's up with that?

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254384
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I think I see why. You need "%@163.com" to block all from that email domain, correct?

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254386
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Originally Posted by Mitch P.
I don't get it. Is getting a spam message across to a few people on a forum, or gaining control of your board, that profitable? Seems likes a lot more trouble than it's worth. How exactly do these guys make a profit? Clearly when they do get through on a forum, their message is some nonsensical garbage that is immediately recognized as spam.
Just advertising really; there are groujps you can pay to have whatever you want plastered literally everywhere for pennies on the dollar, it's insane. The sad part is that a lot of these "bots' are actual humans.

Originally Posted by Mitch P.
I think I see why. You need "%@163.com" to block all from that email domain, correct?
Correct


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: PianoWorld] #254388
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Originally Posted by PianoWorld
I could add each IP to the ban list, but I'm always a little concerned I might end
up shutting out someone legit.


To expand on what you've brought up...

This could also block out many people with shared IPs or Proxy servers. Think; Internet cafés, schools, hotel chains, corporate buildings, ... AOL subscribers (is that still a thing?)...etc

And what happens when the coworker/sibling/partner of a positive contributor to your site, decides that it would be funny to create another account and spam your site with gibberish and troll-bait... "just because."

If you block an address/range of addresses, you're blocking everyone from that IP, not just the "jokester."

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254389
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To add, it would great to replace the built-in ubbt crapcha with an alternative, such as one of these...
http://econsultancy.com/us/blog/63144-six-alternatives-to-using-the-dreaded-captcha-images

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254390
12/16/13 01:34 PM
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Thanks Gizmo.

I run a mainly paid board (with subscriptions) so I already have a pretty stringent screening process in place (I manually check everyone's IP at sign-up).

But really, is there anyone here who has members from China posting on your board? I'd like to be able to block the entire country as a whole.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254391
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There have been legitimate Chinese members on my board, but they are few and far between.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254410
12/18/13 12:16 PM
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I'm getting about 30 spam registration attempts per day now. Anyone else getting that volume?

What the hell, am I on some kind of spammer hot list?

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254412
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nope... i support a lot of boards and it's just a wave of scripts that are being run with spammer regs.

weather the storm and be vigilant wink

set captcha + stopforumspam to fail silently at register, if you want to be proactive.

for the SMALL number of peeps who might have issues signing up, you can then 'Add User' to get them registered.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: SD] #254414
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To combat spam sign-ups, would it be worthwhile to implement a delay (60 seconds?) between executing the mailer scripts for new registrations?

I've been running the "StopForumSpam" mod on a few sites since October 2011 (now built in to UBBT v7.5.8). I haven't seen much/any spammers since then.

EDIT: I'm also set to "fail silently at register", as SD mentioned above.

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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254416
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I highly advise anyone running Stop Forum spam who is having issues with people still getting in to apply the modification for stop forum spam at ubbdev (7.5.8) as it integrates into the login center and when they start appearing after they've registered they'll be no longer able to login...


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254421
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I find the same spam Ads on this forum as my own on the same days so there must be a list.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254422
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I've got 18 sitting in my registration queue right now that I have to clean out. Annoying.

Remember way back in the day before spam, when you could just leave your registration open? Yeah, you'd have a crazy person or two get through, but not like now. Your board could be infested and overtaken in mere minutes if these accounts went through.

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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254424
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Users with Multiple accounts more of a problem than the spammers.

There IP changes every time they reboot there rooter making defences useless.
Would be handy to gleem the computer name as well as IP's.

My members are pretty good with the spam they notify me pretty quickly.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254610
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Ban the entire China netblocks in .htaccess

order allow,deny
deny from ###.###.###.###

allow from all

You can find the China IP Blocks at http://www.nirsoft.net/countryip/cn.html

So to get you started typing:

Code
order allow,deny
deny from 1.0.32
deny from 1.0.33
deny from 1.0.34
deny from 1.0.35
deny from 1.0.36
deny from 1.0.37
deny from 1.0.38
deny from 1.0.39
deny from 1.0.40
deny from 1.0.41
deny from 1.0.42

allow from all


Keep going through all their netblocks.

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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254611
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These darn things are relentless. I turned off registration a few days ago. I turned it back on tonight and in about 3-1/2 hours I already have four bogus registration attempts.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254612
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Is the "Stop Forum Spam" option in UBBT v7.5.8 not working for you guys?

Since enabling it, I haven't seen a single spam bot pass new user validation to post. I do see a few bots sit in the registration queue with either their email or ip address marked as "SPAM" for the duration of UBBT's 24hr account validation window.
Control Panel > Primary Settings > Stop Forum Spam

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Also turn on CAPTCHA Image Verification at:
Control Panel > Registration Settings > Basic Options > select either "Use ImageMagick" or "Use GD2"
ImageMagick generally produces a considerably sharper/higher-quality image. On the other hand, ImageMagick is not supported as well as GD2 by some hosting providers. If in doubt, Try ImageMagick first, then fall back to GD2 if IM is not working (displays no image) for you.

A few of my forums are hosted through BlueHost Pro, so no matter if I use ImageMagick or GD2, my Captchas always fail to load until first clicked, regardless of what browser is used (latest version of Chrome, FireFox or InternetExplorer) or what version of PHP I use (PHP 5.1 or 5.2 or 5.4)... So, I don't use Captchas at all on those sites.

[Linked Image]

On all other servers which I admin UBBT on, Captchas display exactly as intended.


And finally, YMMV for the following two "these are probably just snake-oil, but cant hurt if you try them" suggestions...

Confirm that the following registration text input field is restored to the default of "Show & Require"
Control Panel > Registration Settings > Registration Screen
Tick "Location" to "Show & Require"

In addition, you could also change your new user submit button language from "Submit" to "Create Account" for the screen reader bots.
Control Panel > Languages > Language Editor > newuser.php > BUTT_SUBMIT
Replace "Submit" with "Create Account"

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254614
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Just for a different perspective, the "Stop Forum Spam" works fantastically for me.

I have tried CAPTCHA Image Verification twice in the past 3 or 4 years and both times had to remove it. Too many new users ended up in a "cycle" and couldn't get accepted.

And I gave up on "queueing up" new members for approval first. So, my process now is very simple and it works very well. KISS.




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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254615
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I do know at one time when SD was posting about ubb 7.6.
He stated that the captcha was to be loosened up a bit to make it easier to read.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254616
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Thanks all.

I'm unclear on a few things.

Where is the setting in CP that controls how long a new person has to verify his email before the account gets deleted?

Also, I'm not really sure I understand the difference between the different Spam Protection Level settings.

Currently I have mine set to:
Semi-Auto with Member management checks before display

Ideally, I'd like my board to function like this:
1. Accounts that are flagged by Stop Forum Spam get deleted within a certain period of time (without me having to manually do it)
2. Still be able to manually approve all new legit registrations

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254618
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Mitch, you'd be looking at the "Semi Auto with Message" setting. As for how long a user has to validate, I don't think there is a setting that one can edit, and I'm not entirely sure what the timeframe is on email validation.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254619
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The time setting is hard coded for validation.
I looked it up a few years ago.
I don't recall the timeframe But I recall there has to be an additional registration attempt after the timeframe has passed to delete the registrant if they have not validated.
I recall it was short though like 24 -48 hours.

Of course that is from memory.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254620
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Thanks Gizmo. Just to be clear, which setting do you recommend?

Manual with 1-click check
Semi-Auto with Member management checks before display (I'm currently using this one)
Auto with Message
Auto with Silent Fail

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #254624
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The closest setting to the initial modification (which is how I prefer it to work) is "Auto with Message".


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #255356
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The spam bots are brutal. I turned registration off for my board for a few days. The minute I turned registration back on, I'm averaging three garbage registrations per hour. Ugh.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #255365
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Does anyone else get the basketball playing Chinese doctor?
That one tries to get in a few times every day at my forum.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #255629
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Is there a way I can deny all the spam registrations in once account by having them change to deny then hitting submit OR running a command?

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Originally Posted by ThreadsUser
Is there a way I can deny all the spam registrations in once account by having them change to deny then hitting submit OR running a command?

Double post???
Answered in your other post.


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Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #255634
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A "select all" option would be nice to have.

I currently have 86 spam accounts sitting in my queue that I have to manually go through and select for deletion.

Re: Influx of spam registrations [Re: Mitch P.] #255650
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These spammers are brutal. I turned registration off for a few days.

The second I turned it back on, the attempts started up.

From 4:09 to 4:26 a.m., I had 11 spam registrations show up.


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