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When something is not a bug but acts like it is then I call it a bug anyway.
I may have addressed this before but don't know where.

In last previous UBB versions the "Report Post" was moved from the lower right corner in each post, it was there clearly visible with
"Edit" "Reply""Quote" etc.

Then it was moved under the "downarrow" together with "Email Post" and "Copy to Clipboard"
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[Linked Image from britbike.com]

from then on I have not received one Report Post It simply stopped to be used, People has sometimes asked about it but no one uses it despite that there is a need for it to be used sometimes.

Please change this back to its previous position.
My 2cents anyway
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Last edited by Gizmo; 07/05/2020 1:56 PM. Reason: This is not a bug, the feature has been relocated.

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In the process of progressing modernization and mobile capability, and clean up the frontend user interface, we've taken queues from popular social networking platforms on several placement options; in this case we opted to move the post sharing and report post options to a post management dropdown to the right of the post in a downward chevron (ultimately exactly like Facebook, Nextdoor, Twitter, etc) versus adding multiple new buttons which will skew the design and make it look more cluttered.

If you're unhappy with this behavior you're more than welcome to modify your own forums to add additional "buttons" to the template; but we will be continuing to modernize the software, and modifications to the base code are not officially supported.

To add a "Report" button to the button line you'll want to compare code from the v7.7.3 post_side.tpl, post_top.tpl, and post_gallery.tpl template files. This section of code is for the post buttons within the templates:
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{* POST OPTIONS START *}

The "Notify Link" bits from v7.7.3 are as follows, and were just after the replylink button.
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{if $postrow[post].notifylink}
<span class="post-buttons nw"><a href="{$postrow[post].notifylink}" rel="nofollow"><img src="{$config.BASE_URL}/images/{$style_array.general}/notify.gif" alt=""> {$lang.NOTIFY_MOD}</a></span>
{/if}

Simply add the code that you *liked* back, code going forward will continue to evolve and change over time, we will be looking at cleaning up templates rather than leaving them looking bloated.


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Gizmo, I understand that you guys follow the social media softwares and I think its right. However with a forum for vintage motorcycles with many older members and many actually don't use FB this feature that I mentioned did not work out so good.
Now you know about it and we'll see what happen in the future, I will probably not hack the original UBB code as I like to be able to look for support in the future.
Thanks for your reply.

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@Morgan,

in
/forums/templates/default/post_side.tpl
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/forums/templates/default/post_top.tpl
and
/forums/templates/default/post_gallery.tpl

FIND near the top around line 39:
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{if $Number}
<span class="small lmar nd fr">
<span class="fas fa-chevron-down" id="menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}" onclick="showHideMenu('menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}','post_popup_{$postrow[post].Number}')"></span>
</span>
{/if}

REPLACE WITH:
Code
{if $Number}
<span class="small lmar nd fr">
<span class="fas fa-chevron-down" id="menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}" onclick="showHideMenu('menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}','post_popup_{$postrow[post].Number}')"></span>
</span>
{if $postrow[post].notifylink}
<span class="small lmar nd fr">
<a href="{$postrow[post].notifylink}" rel="nofollow" title="{$lang.NOTIFY_MOD}">
<i class="fas fa-exclamation-triangle fa-fw menu-item" aria-hidden="true"></i></a>
</span>
{/if}
{/if}

The code above will add the REPORT option to the top of each post subject bar.

EXAMPLE:
[Linked Image]

---

This next bit of code will clean up the duplication and remove the REPORT option from the post option menu.

FIND AND DELETE near the bottom of the file:
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{if $postrow[post].notifylink}
<tr><td class="popup_menu_content"><a href="{$postrow[post].notifylink}" rel="nofollow">
<i class="fas fa-exclamation-triangle fa-fw menu-item" aria-hidden="true"></i> {$lang.NOTIFY_MOD}</a>
</td></tr>
{/if}

EXAMPLE:
[Linked Image]

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In my post above code replacements should now be correct. I was trying to get this posted asap, but had typos in doing that. everything is fixed and should be good now laugh


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Isaac,

I started to copy and paste the
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{if $Number}
<span class="small lmar nd fr">
<span class="fas fa-chevron-down" id="menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}" onclick="showHideMenu('menu_control_p{$postrow[post].Number}','post_popup_{$postrow[post].Number}')"></span>
</span>
{if $postrow[post].notifylink}
<span class="small lmar nd fr">
<a href="{$postrow[post].notifylink}" rel="nofollow" title="{$lang.NOTIFY_MOD}">
<i class="fas fa-exclamation-triangle fa-fw menu-item" aria-hidden="true"></i></a>
</span>
{/if}
{/if}

but hesitated because it ended with two
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{/if}
{/if}

I hesitated and did not follow trhu and kept it.
Just need to ask is that really right?

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Yes. It is correct.

1/ the first {if $Number} at the top of the whole group controls the usage for posts vs private topics.

[...code...]

2/ the second {if $postrow[post].notifylink} controls the access to the notify code.

[...code...]

2/ the second one gets closed with the {/if}
1/ and finally, the first one gets closed with the other {/if}


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OK I'll copy and paste per your suggestion with the both "{/if}"

Would it hurt if I kept the the REPORT option in the post option menu? and not removed the code below

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{if $postrow[post].notifylink}
<tr><td class="popup_menu_content"><a href="{$postrow[post].notifylink}" rel="nofollow">
<i class="fas fa-exclamation-triangle fa-fw menu-item" aria-hidden="true"></i> {$lang.NOTIFY_MOD}</a>
</td></tr>
{/if}

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its up to you what you want to do. thats why I wrote my post with two parts thumbsup


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Thanks, I'll give it some thoughts and decide..
I'm not sure that our members get the exclamation-triangle and what it stands for. The text "Report Post" was visible direct in the post and very clear before.
Thanks again for your help.
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Here I am with some new thoughts. see its as what it is thoughts.
Just want things to be more clear and don't want to clutter

Gizmo said
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in this case we opted to move the post sharing and report post options to a post management dropdown to the right of the post in a downward chevron (ultimately exactly like Facebook, Nextdoor, Twitter, etc) versus adding multiple new buttons which will skew the design and make it look more cluttered.

Ok I get that, what I see now is that one can either use the existing buttons at the bottom right (Like, Reply, Quote) and in some cases it also read (Edit) first.
and our regular new or old members one has also to look up to the right corner and click on the downward chevron before discover the extra menu.

One thought is If I use a cursor could it be changed so that it is an onload feature so I see it the menu just by pointing at it?

Also I wonder would it be possible to actually use a "downward chevron button" or "More" button to the right of the other buttons instead?
This way one would not have to use more buttons and clutter.
The positive would be that all options are at the same place down to right of ea post.

I hope you understand what I try to explain as you know English is not my first lingo.
Just trying to give my and my members feedback.
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Hi.

I have earlier reported this as a bug which it clearly was not.

Now i'm urged to give feedback and say that the "Report post" feature is not working after changes done to 7.7.4.
Well you now and I know that the actual feature works fine but our members don't see it after it was moved to the down arrow menu ( Chevron).
We are now in a time when more people don't see eye to eye and they post inflammatory and dis-respectful posts more often.
I have tried to explain how to report posts but it does sadly don't work for our members.
Instead it escalates and now I also had a moderator dropping out because of it.

Just now I got a PM asking this
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Morgan after the shyte show in the R&T this week and graham retiring, what is the possibility of having the report button some where in the body like the reply button location?

In my earlier post here with same topic, Gizmo and Isaac answered with a hack to restore it as 7.7.3 so that the button could again be placed in its old place.
I don't like to hack the scripts because of it violates the license. However I may have go back and see what I can do because if not my forum seems to be affected to much negatively from the 7.7.4 upgrade.

PS if I had to chose between getting rid if the Like button and having the report button I must say that the Report button is more important than the Like button in that place.

However don't misunderstand me I do like the Like button too.

Above is feedback otherwise the forum is just great
Thanks for all you do for UBBThreads.
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Just to clarify, Post Management items were moved to the chevron (dropdown) to clear space; the Like button was proposed to be on the left side where the author information is supplied. There are still no plans of moving report post, email post, share post, etc outside of the drop down as mentioned in the previous (now merged) thread.

I'm sure that your users have utilized Facebook, Twitter, or YouTube (even Nextdoor, Tapatalk, and Discord); this is a common placement for sharing and post management/report links.

The recommended course for ANYONE wanting to change placement of stock items is to modify their showflat templates to place items back where they were, but for MOBILE CAPABILITY and further visibility cleanup these items are where they will continue to be in the future unless a toggle is added.


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notice: to make your multiple topics with the same content easier to follow for everyone, they have been merged in to a single thread

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I tend to agree with Morgan.
The chevron is not enough to even indicate that a user can even select it for more options.
It appears to be like a secret option that only informed users know about.
If it was obvious , why not move all to the menu button items like the , Like Edit Reply Quote under the chevron also.

We do have options at the top of the page but they are not for the current post but the whole topic.
It is almost a hidden option that users can select it for other options.
It needs to be more visible somehow to use.
Possibly instead of a chevron but a button or language string that states what it is for, Like options or post option. or notify..

Not just the report post but all the items included in the chevron menu.
Like email post,share options
Personally I would prefer them all to be placed back where they were as buttons on the lower right area of the post with edit reply quote.
Or maybe move them all to the quick reply box???

Currently it is to vague to users that they can even elect the chevron to use.
It needs to be more prominent.
A lot of average users do not even know what a chevron is.


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Thanks Ruben, your comment is indeed what I experience.
Thanks for explaining it better.


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775 WIP (Work In Progress)

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DISCLAIMER: At this time, UBB.threads version 7.7.5 is work in progress. Its current code will change several more times before being published to the Member Area at https://www.ubbcentral.com. This work in progress code is not available for purchase or download other than by our current group of testers. This screenshot has been posted to share a concept idea. Items may be pulled from the final release or may be reworked to have a different presentation than what is depicted in this post. This is very much work in progress and should not be be considered final code.

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For some reason I posted here and it got wiped.
Anyway.
There also is a issue with forum summary for collapsing or expanding categories unless you use a dark theme the image to click on has no contrast to view.
Unless you know where to hover to. But it is a up down arrow.

Plus if you are going to move some of the post options to the chevron why not move all. Then place it where those buttons are now in the lower right.
Instead of a new location on the top right that nobody is aware of.

Anyway if you wish to use font awesome icons why not change to say a Plus Minus or Hamburger (bars icon) to open close the menu.
Most people know what that means I think. if they have been using a mobile device.
Using that usb icon instead of the chevron is still confusing to me anyway.
By habit with UBB I always look to the lower right of a post for email reply quote notify etc.
As well as other forum vendors

Whatever you decide on it should be consistent with any area that allows you to expand and collapse like the forum summary categories.

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Replying to your your complete post. Even the off-topic parts.

Originally Posted by Ruben
There also is a issue with forum summary for collapsing or expanding categories unless you use a dark theme the image to click on has no contrast to view.
Unless you know where to hover to. But it is a up down arrow.

The toggle_closed.gif is a white GIF. This is why it is not visible on white background, hardly visible on light backgrounds, and easy to view on dark backgrounds.

The gif should probably be replaced with a FontAwesome text character so that it matches the rest of the text.

Originally Posted by Ruben
Plus if you are going to move some of the post options to the chevron why not move all. Then place it where those buttons are now in the lower right.
Instead of a new location on the top right that nobody is aware of.

Because EDIT, REPLY, QUOTE, and LIKE are not sharing options. The "Post Share" menu should only contain items related to sharing. Such as sharing the post to a moderator who can be alerted that you have a concern about it. This is useful in the event that you dont have moderators, or that your current moderators have not read everything, or that your current moderators have found nothing wrong with the post when they first read it and felt like they didnt need to modify it or comment/reply to it later in the thread.

A few of the other items that live in that Post Share menu are Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Email, Clipboard.

Originally Posted by Ruben
Anyway if you wish to use font awesome icons why not change to say a Plus Minus or Hamburger (bars icon) to open close the menu.
Most people know what that means I think. if they have been using a mobile device.
Using that usb icon instead of the chevron is still confusing to me anyway.

Using a PLUS / MINUS (Accordion) is not consistent with Drop-Down Menu icons. Also, a bars (hamburger menu) icon is usually reserved for main program/app menus. It is not a drop-down element options menu icon.

The Share and USB icons are not the same.

Share Icon:
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USB Icon:
[Linked Image]

Originally Posted by Ruben
Whatever you decide on it should be consistent with any area that allows you to expand and collapse like the forum summary categories.

As you have probably already noticed, that has been one of the goals I have kept working toward each time i sit down to work on the UBB.threads software. Constant fixes to what was written before I offered my time with it. And constant hard work to keep it current and competitive. As a group, we interact with each other quickly and come of with solutions, even if we dont see eye to eye on everything. We reach a compromise and continue to move forward.

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Originally Posted by isaac
775 wip

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Isaac, what does 775 wip mean? I guess 755 is version 7.7.5 as in next version. I sort of take it as this is how it will look as in the attachment photo.
I see the report button to the bottom which is something I appreciate. Hope it will end up there in the final version.

Anyhow what is 775 wip ?

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"775 WIP" is shorthand for "ubb.threads version 7.7.5 work in progress"

it is from my live "work in progress" website where the screenshot came from.

its not a release or anything that is stock code. it is code that is currently being worked on until it is final. once it is final, it will become the next version and WIP for that.


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OK thanks for explaining..
I hold my thumbs very hard for the Report button win place... who knows what the future will bring.


PS, I see that you developers works have changed the chevron down to a share icon and I also see that you you are testing a small flag up to the right.
I would encourage it if I believed in it however my experience with BritBike forum is still that our members expect a button similar to LIKE REPLY QUOTE EDIT at the bottom for the REPORT POST feature. Don't wish to be a pain for you simply expressing a strong belief.

Thanks for your efforts..

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Originally Posted by Morgan
who knows what the future will bring.

https://www.ubbdev.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forum_summary.html


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Isaac I edited my post above while you were replying
I see the little flag but imagine a member with a post he is upset about.. he is looking for a simple and clear way to Report the post and will probably not see the little flag and not understand the purpose with it..

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Originally Posted by Morgan
I see the little flag but imagine a member with a post he is upset about.. he is looking for a simple and clear way to Report the post and will probably not see the little flag and not understand the purpose with it..

DESKTOP, hold your mouse pointer over the icon, and a title will appear.
MOBILE, long-press to view the title.
For BOTH, click/tap is and see what happens.

FLAG = Flag the post and request for review or moderation.
The flag is one of the two standard icons used online these days. The other is an exclamation mark, generally within a circle or triangle. These are basic icons used on the internet in this day and age.

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I am okay that we agree to disagree.
I really have no heartburn over the change in the share display.(chevron or share icon)
Edit it got changed to a share plus a flag for notify Icon now.
What I think the real issue is the location chosen.
Nobody will think to look there.
Speaking of this site it is currently a chevron but to the right of the post time and post number.
If you want to change the appearance and display of the share options it should be moved down next the the buttons that still exist.
Or still in the footer anywhere where users of ubb normally look for options.
At the footer of the post like the buttons that remain for now.
At least a existing user that looks to that area as usual from many past versions will notice something missing and something new. And has a higher probability of noticing it. But not the location is is now.
It is too obscure.
That is my 2 cents , take it for what it is worth.
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I do understand what Isaac is saying regarding internet is changing.
Also like Ruben I am okay that we agree to disagree.
At least in the location of the icon you are using.. All our members have seen the Report button at the bottom of ea post and they are always looking at the bottom in order to reply, quote, edit and now like. They always look at the bottom of ea post and they are used to read the button text.
Like Ruben I rest my case.
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